You Can’t Handle the Proof

I sit here rubbing my temples at the influx of commenters out to refute any single article written about racism. The overall theme of these hive-minded drones is that racism is either not a big problem or that it’s comprised of singular incidents that only occur a few times per year. Whatever the case, they not only want to tell me that racism is not as big a thing as I claim it to be, but they rant about me showing them some proof. Don’t laugh. They want me to prove that racism is a major issue.

I take issue with that favor, or command rather, for a few reasons. One, they expect me to go out of my way to prove something when they can just do some of the research themselves. Two, they have a hint of this master-slave mentality that they bring where if I don’t comply, they go off the deep end and lash out as if I was lower than scum. And three, and the most obvious reason, they wouldn’t except it anyway. We’ve seen it happen all the time, everytime with these commenters. So, even if you do produce some evidence, they’re refute it and scream for something that’s not, as they consider it, leftist because anything that’s not right is obviously left, and that’s plain wrong to them. (There is no middle ground for them. It’s either right or left)

Racism is an institutionalized business that permeates virtually every facet of society from education to the media and even the workforce. There are mountains of evidence that prove that racism exists. Yet, this seemingly never-ending parade of naysayers want me, and perhaps everyone else, to believe otherwise. What’s worse is that they portray themselves as intellectuals who know more about racism than those who actually experienced it. And they get pissed to the point of telling you how wrong you supposed to be when you make it known that racism is a significant problem in America.

These people operate passing themselves as almost scholarly with a knack for conducting and winning arguments. They tell you how wrong every single point you made is after they copy and paste them. In the mix they may even condemn them by calling your comments names as if they’re four-year olds fighting with other four-year olds. And when you can’t take their mess anymore, then they make you feel low. They may even get so crazy enough to think they’ve won the argument, patting themselves on the back for being “right”.

But the irony is that there is no argument when something is true. Racism is here. It’s part of this country’s culture. Arguing whether or not it exists is like trying to prove that water is wet.

Besides, what kind of proof are these loons looking for? What kind of proof will they accept? What evidence would sway them to see the point of view of others? Judging by these people who apparently have the same mind, I doubt any kind of evidence, empirical or otherwise, would convince them of anything other than show how they are either too ignorant or too much in denial about the existence of racism.

These people would scoff at the following for whatever reason:

If This Doesn’t Prove That Racism Still Exists, We Don’t Know What Will

Top 10 Reasons Why Racism Exists

Racism Still Exists: The Worst Tweets From The #WhyDoBlackPeople Twitter Trend

15 Charts That Prove We’re Far From Post-Racial

STUDENT GROUP RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS ABOUT RACISM

Shocking New Studies Show Racism Exists, Affects People’s Actions

Fox New’s Megyn Kelly can’t handle the truth about race and the justice system. 

These are online articles. Sure. But they have links to actual studies that show that racism is a major problem in this country. But as we’ve all witnessed, crazy commenters will do what they can to refute that fact. They may as well argue in favor of the belief that Earth is flat while they’re at it.

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34 thoughts on “You Can’t Handle the Proof

  1. There’s nothing anyone can do to convince people of something they don’t want to believe. You can only hope they get educated for their own benefit. there’s a negative correlation between racism and education. The broader your understanding of the world, the less likely you are to be a racist, in other words.

      1. They are a waste of space. Don’t even bother trying to convince them. They only wish to make themselves feel better by denigrating others. It is like this; if someone is not in my trajectory, why bother about them? The fact that they need to pontificate ad nausea on black blogs, puts paid to the notion of their indifference. I’ll repeat my refrain; Ignore them or mock them!

  2. Okay, finally you made an effort to do a bit more than just saying something. Let’s see what you said, bit-by-bit again:

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    You said:

    I sit here rubbing my temples at the influx of commenters out to refute any single article written about racism. The overall theme of these hive-minded drones is that racism is either not a big problem or that it’s comprised of singular incidents that only occur a few times per year. Whatever the case, they not only want to tell me that racism is not as big a thing as I claim it to be, but they rant about me showing them some proof. Don’t laugh. They want me to prove that racism is a major issue.

    My response:

    Well, yeah. If you say something about something being a “major issue,” you NEED to put forward some kind of compelling evidence that quantifies and quialifies the so-called issue. Vague claims that “everyone knows it” or “it’s everywhere if only you look for it,” or even worse, “you have to be black to understand it” mean nothing. Worse, they’re designed to prevent actual understanding by pretending that you have to have special powers that only certain people can have, or that you have to be clued into the secret club. If you have to be black to understand the black experience, or if you have to have experienced racism to understand racism, then you have to be white to understand what whites mean or their intent or their motivations.

    If the races can’t communicate because of the color of their skin, then there is no hope. Yet, the races HAVE got along just fine, and DO get along just fine in certain places, so this notion that some are clued in due to the color of their skin is nonsense.

    An oncologist doesn’t need to experience cancer to understand what it is to be sick. Racism is nothing unique, but rather just another flavor of human cruelty. There’s nothing difficult, or mystical and magical about it that requires any special understanding. It’s wrong and bad. Like cruelty, or pettiness, or arrogance, or condescension, or vindictiveness, or narrow-mindedness. In fact, ALL human faults are all of those things. No, racism’s nothing special, and requires no special qualifications for the knowing of it, just the understanding of human cruelty. Any human can understand it perfectly well.

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    You said:

    I take issue with that favor, or command rather, for a few reasons. One, they expect me to go out of my way to prove something when they can just do some of the research themselves. Two, they have a hint of this master-slave mentality that they bring where if I don’t comply, they go off the deep end and lash out as if I was lower than scum. And three, and the most obvious reason, they wouldn’t except it anyway. We’ve seen it happen all the time, everytime with these commenters. So, even if you do produce some evidence, they’re refute it and scream for something that’s not, as they consider it, leftist because anything that’s not right is obviously left, and that’s plain wrong to them. (There is no middle ground for them. It’s either right or left)

    My response:

    First, no one “commanded” you to do anything. I simply sztated the obvious: if you’re going to say something inflammatory about an entire race, as you do all the time, then it is YOUR responsibility to back that up. You haven’t done that, so your claims are looking more and more like libel. I can do, and have done, all sorts of research. YOU need to back up your OWN claims. I’m not responsible for supporting your positions. That’s not my job, it’s yours. YOU bear that responsibility.

    This “master-slave” nonsense is just that: nonsense. Paranoid nonsense at that. Do you think that you’re somehow exempt from the rules that ALL people have to follow, to make a case for something? Just because you’re black? No. YOU have to do the work to prove you’re not just blowing smoke. You are telling an untruth about the “lashing out as if you were lower than scum.” That’s shameful. I’ve never attacked YOU, but rather what you’ve written. Your paranoia about my state of mind suggests that you might simply be paranoid about racism as well. If you can’t address what’s ACTUALLY being said, how can you have any credibility in your posts about racism?

    About your leftism. On your very own site, you have an “I voted” button. I assume you didn’t vote for any Republican candidates. I’ve been reading your blog posts. No, I’m guessing you voted for either the Democrat, or someone to the left of the Democrat. Furthermore, your ARGUMENTS are word-for-word the arguments of the left.

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    You said:

    Racism is an institutionalized business that permeates virtually every facet of society from education to the media and even the workforce. There are mountains of evidence that prove that racism exists. Yet, this seemingly never-ending parade of naysayers want me, and perhaps everyone else, to believe otherwise. What’s worse is that they portray themselves as intellectuals who know more about racism than those who actually experienced it. And they get pissed to the point of telling you how wrong you supposed to be when you make it known that racism is a significant problem in America.

    My response:

    “Racism is an institutionalized business that permeates virtually every facet of society from education to the media and even the workforce.” What does that even mean? You need to DEFINE “institutionalized racism,” then give compelling evidence that it’s more than just imaginary. This is obvious.
    “There are mountains of evidence that prove that racism exists.” Again, without PRODUCING a SHRED of such evidence, this is meaningless. More to the point, though, no one is arguing that racism doesn’t exist. When are you going to abandon this strawman, BW? You CONSTANTLY argue against a point that NOBODY is trying to make.
    “What’s worse is that they portray themselves as intellectuals who know more about racism than those who actually experienced it.” Having the experience of racism is not needed in order to understand racism. This is so glaringly obvious that it shouldn’t need to be said. As for portraying myself as an intellectual, what’s the problem with that? I AM an intellectual. Should I portray myself as an ignoramus? What would be the point of that? Should I portray myself as uneducated? I’m NOT uneducated. I prefer to be honest with you. You need to understand this: a victim of racism doesn’t necessarily have a greater understanding of racism than someone who’s studied it for a long time. The victim might understand the EFFECTS better, but that’s it. The student of racism can understand perfectly well that the EFFECTS are bad, and resolve to find the CAUSES and ways to eradicate it. And, yes, the student of racism, no matter his race, would understand racism better than an actual victim. In fact, it could be argued that the VICTIM understands racism WORSE than the unbiased, student of the phenopmenon, because the victim’s point-of-view might be tainted by a desire for revenge.
    “And they get pissed to the point of telling you how wrong you supposed to be when you make it known that racism is a significant problem in America.” This is meaningless. If racism is NOT a significant problem in America, then it would be morally wrong NOT to point it out to you. Especially when you make a point of tarring an ENTIRE race with your accusations of racism. If you make those accusations, then you have a moral obligation to back up your incendiary claims.

    One last thing: It’s obvious that the cancer doctor understands cancer better than the cancer patient. Please get rid of the silly idea that if one is a victim of racism, then he AUTOMATICALLY has a better understanding of racism than anyone else. He just doesn’t.

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    You said:

    These people operate passing themselves as almost scholarly with a knack for conducting and winning arguments. They tell you how wrong every single point you made is after they copy and paste them. In the mix they may even condemn them by calling your comments names as if they’re four-year olds fighting with other four-year olds. And when you can’t take their mess anymore, then they make you feel low. They may even get so crazy enough to think they’ve won the argument, patting themselves on the back for being “right”.

    My response:

    Look, BW, there’s just nothing wrong with arguing against points. You should try it sometime, instead of engaging in the constant personal attacks. That’s the point of an argument. It’s YOU who go off calling people names, and accusing them of all sorts of irrelevant nonsense. Then YOU get ticked off because they defend themselves against your scurrilous accusations. You can’t “call a comment a name.” If a comment is stupid, then calling it such is simply attaching an adjective to it. Name-calling can be done only to people, and it’s you who indulge in it, by calling people racists, or “hive-minded drones,” (as YOU did above) or “loons” (as YOU did above), or liars, or ignorant (as you have insinuated NUMEROUS times). YOU’RE the name-caller, BW, and you seem to want to be free to continue to insult people while insulating yourself from criticism. That indicates great immaturity.

    An important point: NOBODY on earth can “make you feel low” except you. If you ARE a rational observer, then it would be impossible to offend or insult you. You need to stop whining about what people say about you, because it can’t hurt you. Only YOU can hurt you.

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    You said:

    But the irony is that there is no argument when something is true. Racism is here. It’s part of this country’s culture. Arguing whether or not it exists is like trying to prove that water is wet.

    My response:

    Wrong: EVERYTHING is ALWAYS subject to examination and RE-examination. If everyone had simply accepted Newtonian physics, then there’d be no theory of relativity or quantum physics. If everyone had accepted as true the notion that the earth is flat, then THAT would be the accepted belief today. Each of these things was either fixed or modified by deeper and deeper and still deeper examination of things that had long been accepted.

    Racism is NOT part of the country’s culture in any meaningful way. At least among white people. And, I shouldn’t have to say this, but I will anyway. If you’re going to assert that water is wet, as part of a larger argument, then you DO have to be sure that you can prove it, AND that you understand, and can demonstrate, your understanding of the definition of “wet,” AND that you AND your interlocutor AGREE on that definition. All that is self-evident. The point: Water IS wet. We csan all be confident that we all agree on that, and on the definition of wet. However, In the realm of something as subjective as states of mind, like racism, you’re even MORE obligated to be sure that you don’t just toss accusations and slanders and libels around.

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    You said:

    Besides, what kind of proof are these loons looking for? What kind of proof will they accept? What evidence would sway them to see the point of view of others? Judging by these people who apparently have the same mind, I doubt any kind of evidence, empirical or otherwise, would convince them of anything other than show how they are either too ignorant or too much in denial about the existence of racism.

    My response:

    “Loons?” Who’s the REAL name caller here, BW? So, what kind of proof would ANYONE accept? REAL proof. FACTS, from credible sources. I gave you such FACTS (see below), yet YOU seem unswayed by those genuine facts that no one seems to dispute.

    And, of course, no one denies the existence of racism, so that is just another strawman, another example of BW trying to argue against a point no one’s trying to make.

    Now, on to your “evidence.”

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    Link 1: “If This Doesn’t Prove That Racism Still Exists, We Don’t Know What Will” (http://aplus.com/a/black-white-men-racism-alive?so=mECtqYuSQVuVfLTDC8xpYf&ref=ns)

    My response:

    Well. A link wit a video arguing against a point nobody’s ever tried to make. Everyone knows that racism exists. No one addresses the apparent fact that it’s just not a big problem in America anymore.

    This video DOES bring up the various studies that point to the idea that “black names” on résumés don’t generate as many calls back for employment opportunities as do white names. This COULD indeed be troubling, if there were not greater context. There are ALSO studies showing that there is a built-in bias in FAVOR of black job applicants (aka Affirmative Action). The question: which phenomenon is of greater magnitude? Absent the answer to THAT question, things like this video are interesting data points, but don’t allow anyone to make any conclusions.

    One more point: the above link is to an opinion blog that is loaded with left-wing fluff. It’s NOT a news organization. There’s nothing wrong with opinion blogs, but opinion bloggers are obligated to use FACTS to bolster their opinions. This blogger chooses a “study” that is not given context. And there is a lot of potential counter-balancing cntext that could come out of the answer to my aboive-posed question: WHICH bias is greater that AGAINST black job applicants, or that FOR black job applicants. My argument is that there should be no bias whatsoever in the realm of skin color. Abolish Affirmative Action AND prosecute skin color discrimination, against ANY color, vigorously. Period.

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    Link 2: Top 10 Reasons Why Racism Exists (http://listcrux.com/top-10-reasons-why-racism-still-exists/)

    My response:

    Again, from the headline: arguing against a point that nobody’s ever tried to make. However, BW, this is just simply bad.

    Item #5 contains a complete falsehood, suggesting that Clint Eastwood said: “I voted for McCain because he was white. ‘Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people – because they look like them. … That’s American politics, pure and simple.” Eastwood never said that, and here’s the debunking, with full explanation: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/twilightyears.asp.

    The rest of the ENTIRE page is either opinion, or the page owner’s repeating someone else’s unsubstantiated opinion.

    You implied that I’d argue against your “evidence” for whatever reason. How about THIS reason: It’s wrong, full of inaccuracies and unsubstantiated opinions and conjecture. Item #5 alone condemns the page as not credible. Come on, BW, ANYONE can find finge kooks out there to support ANY idea. All indications are that this guy is a fringe kook.

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    Link 3: Racism Still Exists: The Worst Tweets From The #WhyDoBlackPeople Twitter Trend (http://elitedaily.com/news/world/racism-still-exists-the-worst-tweets-from-the-whydoblackpeople-twitter-trend/)

    My response:

    Yet ANOTHER post arguing against a point that no one’s ever tried to make! This one, though, purports to “prove” the point by pulling out a couple of dozen tweets from a “twitterverse” of BILLIONS of daily tweets. And several of the tweeters are REPEAT tweeters. One tweeter was black! I’ll repeat what I said elsewhere. There are 190 millon white people in America. Unless you can show convincing evidence that there are MILLIONS of racists among them, then you haven’t shown anything. More to the point, whoever it was who suggests that a couple dozen tweets “proves” anything just made MY case for me: racism among blacks is MUCH more prevalent than among whites. I suspect you will be able to find MILLIONS of tweets suggesting that whites are evil, and scum, and lousy, no-good, rotten dirtbags all OVER the twittervers. The point: You shouldn’t try to make a point that only ends up making the point of the dude you’re arguing against!

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    Link 4: 15 Charts That Prove We’re Far From Post-Racial (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/civil-rights-act-anniversary-racism-charts_n_5521104.html)

    My response:

    Chart #1: Okay, if you believe the first chart, then there are WAY more “middle income” and “affluent” blacks than whites. It’s right there in the first chart. Presumably, the chart is NOT trying to make us believe that there is “poverty” among Middle-income and Affluent households, so the first chart is just meaningless, as it implies that black people are a lot wealthier than white people in America. I’m guessing that is not what YOU are trying to argue, BW.

    Chart #2: Chart #2 says, “There’s a big disparity in wealth between white Americans and non-white Americans,” and proceeds to show the disparity. Okay. I agree. That’s a problem. But it’s not a RACISM problem. Nor does it indicate that there is not equal opporunity in America. Finally, though, BW, you’ve identified an ACTUAL problem. The CAUSE of the problem, though, is NOT racism, at least not as YOU’VE understood it, but a whole host of other things.

    Chart #3: Chart #3 says, ” The racial wealth gap kept widening well after the Civil Rights era.” Yep. I agree with this too. And the direct reason is the vast collection of social welfare legislation that Lyndon Johnson, a Southern segregationist, by the way, promulgated and called: “The Great Society.” The headline is misleading, though. Before the Civil Right era, the fastest-growing economic demographic in the United States was: black people. The Democrats stopped that economic growth and killed the economic dynamism of black Americans in its tracks. It’s jaw-droppingly unbeleivable that blacks CONTINUE to vote for Democrats who stabbed them in the back, and to shun Republicans, who were responsible for Civil Rights lefislation, while opposing the Great Society programs.

    Chart #4: Chart #4 says, “The Great Recession didn’t hit everyone equally.” Duh! ALL recessions hurt the poor mopre than the less poor. More black people are poor, therefore the Great Recession hit them harder. This is not in dispute, but has no bearing on whether America is racist or not.

    Chart #5 is interesting: It says: “In the years before the financial crisis, people of color were much more likely to be targeted for subprime loans than their white counterparts, even when they had similar credit scores.” Yes, that’s absolutely true. By law! It was called the CRA (The Community Reinvestment Act), and it ordered mortgage companies to relax lending standards for blacks and hispanics in order to get them into home ownership in greater numbers. The theory was that they would then have a greater opportunity to build wealth, as at the time, a home was considered the single most important investment anyone could make. Far from being a proof of racism, this was a very ill-advised multi-trillion dollar gift to black Americans that almost sank the American economy and brought about the Great Recession. The point: if, BW, you are going to try to define white racism as “white people giving black Americans heaps of money,” then maybe you should stop complaining about it. Between you and me, I don’t think that the relaxation of credit standards did ANYONE any favors, but it was at least, obviously, NOT a racist act.

    The rest of the charts are the same, in that they either fail to give the necessary context, or are full of the same conjecture as in BW’s first three links (some talk about the same topics as well. For example: Chart #15: “Employers are more likely to turn away job seekers if they have African-American-sounding names.”) Some of the charts deal with the disproportionate incarceration rates for black people. However, absent the understanding of black crime rates in the same discussion, then there is, again, necesssary context missing. Same with the chart about black kids being punished more frequently and more harshly in schools. Well, do they misbehave more frequently? And more seriusly? Without that answer, again, the chart is meaningless.

    Now, however, I’m going to shock you. I agree with the premise of the link. We are NOT post-racial. We just got rid of the most racist Attorney General in the history of the United States, Eric Holder, and we have a race-obsessed President. Of COURSE we’re not post-racial. But, the race story is a LOT more complex than BW would have you believe, and contains a huge element, the 900-bpound gorilla in the room, of unaddressed BLACK racism.

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    Link 5: STUDENT GROUP RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS ABOUT RACISM (http://users.ipfw.edu/hollandd/RACe%20ISSUES.HTM)

    My response:

    This is just a bunch of college students responding to a question about racism and whether it exists or not. No one is trying to pretend that racism DOESN’T exist, so this is just another example of the same tired strawman. I remember when my daughter took a college class with a similar question, and the students had to post a blog post with their answers. My daughter made sure to sya that sure, racism is a HUGE probelm in the America, because everyone knew that if you suggested otherwise, the professor would flunk you. She had already flunked other students who had dared to disagree with her. There WAS a nugget, however, in this otherwise substanceless page. The very opening disclaimer, an idea that BW would be well served to take to heart. It says: “PLEASE READ WITH AN OPEN MIND. REMEMBER THAT ONE’S VIEW OF RACISM GENERALLY REFLECTS THE EXPERIENCE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL AND HIS/HER SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT. THUS, NOT EVERYONE WILL VIEW OR EXPERIENCE RACISM IN THE SAME WAY.” Bingo! This at least ONE of the things we’ve been trying to say for a LONG time!

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    Link 6: Shocking New Studies Show Racism Exists, Affects People’s Actions (http://newsone.com/1195595/shocking-new-studies-show-racism-exists-affects-peoples-actions/)

    My response:

    This comes from: “NewsOne for Black America.” Ah, THERE’s an impartial source! Could this be an opinion site as well? Yep. Just another race grievance opinion web site. Still, it’s just another web post arguing against a point that no one is trying to make. Everyone knows that racism exists, and no one is trying to pretend it doesn’t. But, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that racism is a big problem in America.

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    Link 7: Fox New’s Megyn Kelly can’t handle the truth about race and the justice system. (http://www.vox.com/2015/5/29/8687205/criminal-justice-racism)

    My response:

    This is from yet another opinion web site! Surf around on it and you see that it’s not a serious web site. I DO remember the incident referred to above, and Kelly, a lawyer as well as a broadcaster, accurately portrayed the situation in Baltimore that was badly botched by Baltimore’s District Attorney, Marilyn Mosby. Kelly, and others, accurately reported on the disgraceful things that Mosby said in her explanations of why she indicted the three black and three white cops involved in the arrest and subsequent death of Freddie Gray. However, anyone can disagree on all that, but no matter what, even if one were to ADMIT that Kelly doesn’t understand race and incarceration and all that, she’s ONE person. ONE person! There are 300 million people in the United States! 300 million!

    The piece then goes on to show all the aforementioned incarceration charts without, again, providing any context that is absolutely necessary in understanding that issue.

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    There.

    BW: You’ll notice that I addressed ALL YOUR points, as you requested. I even agreed with some of them! You STILL haven’t addressed MY points. By way of review, here they are:
    (1) FACT: The President of the United States is a black man, elected by white people who are, by far, the majority of voters in America.
    (2) FACT: There is nobody trying to get OUT of America. To the contrary, there are all sorts of people whom you call by the condescending term: “People of Color trying to get IN. By the millions.
    (3) FACT: White people abolished slavery, enacted Civil Rights legislation, have transferred trillions of dollars of wealth to the poor, and disproportionately to brown and black people (yes, mostly to single white woman).
    (4) FACT: No black people on earth have it better than here in America. If black people had it better elsewhere, then AMERICAN blacks would be doing their best to join them.
    (5) FACT: One of America’s 35,000 black millionaires said this: “Average folks make excuses while the wealthy make money.” That’s right here: http://www.denniskimbro.com/americas-black-millionaires-food-for-thought/#.VWpI5c9VhBc.
    (6) FACT: On the same web page, where Dennis Kimbro said: “Remember each year $1.2 trillion runs through our hands without a thing to show for it. No other ethnic group tolerates such nonsense”. Dr. Kimbro, a black man, says that black people need only to CHOOSE to be wealthy, and there won’t be anything in their way. Certainly not racism.

    I’m STILL waiting for you to address them, as I REQUESTED (NOT “commanded.”).

      1. @Herneith, referring to your post previous to the above, you’ll note, of course, that (1) at no time in my detailed response to BW did I denigrate anyone else, and (2) how is it that calling ME a “loon” is NOT denigrating?

        So, it’s just fine for YOU to denigrate others?

        I don’t expect you ACTUALLY to read the above, it’s written above your apparent ability to understand. You should probably go play elsewhere, where the fare is less challenging.

        Or, maybe like Mz.Nikita, you’re really just a white spy trying to make black folk seem stupid by posting the REALLY brainless stuff that you do.

  3. Hey, Rational Observer and DaShawn! First and foremost, I think you’re the same person. See BW’s post before this one — called : “Being a Problem” — where RO appears to have responded as DaShawn.

    Look, I’m very sympathetic to your points of view, and agree with you nearly completely, but you need to consider a couple of things. (1) You need to fight fair. If you are the same person, then it’s not fair that you would pretend to be otherwise. (2) Brotha Wolf has just had a death in the family and is going through a difficult time. I can’t believe you’re not aware of that, and you need to give it a rest.

    I’m a huge believer in fair play, and you guys are catching Brotha Wolf at a weak moment, and you should stop.

    Just my two cents…

    Best,

    — x

  4. You know what? I have a feeling if I try to respond, this will be a merry-go-round where you and I will end up repeating ourselves. I never thought I’d say this, but I think xPrae is right about you and Deshawn. I also think you’re the same person that continues to comment in the same exact manner but comes back using different names. I don’t know know about my theory, but your comments appear as similar as those who came before you.

    So, I’m just going to ban you from my den because frankly, I’m tired of you and others like you with the same mentality. Goodbye forever.

  5. @xPraetorius, you are correct DaShawn and Rational Observer are the same person. Or, I should say, we’re both DaShawn. I apologize to you and to BrothaWolf. I did it because I figured that sooner or later BrothaWolf was going to ban one of us, and I wanted to keep commenting. He doesn’t take kindly to people disagreeing with him, so I figured that maybe he’d let one of us stay around. When you used to hang around here, this was one of the best blogs around, but since you left, it’s been nothing but the usual “look how bad whitey is” crap, except for a couple of people who came around to challenge the race whiners here. I won’t do it again. In my defense I DO use both ID’s in various online conversations and debates that I have, but I’ll retire Rational Observer at this blog. It’s a shame because that’s my favorite ID. When I use my real name, people know that I’m a black man and they draw conclusions too quickly.

  6. By the way, xPraetorius or Brothawolf, how do you get your text to be bolded or italicized like that? I don’t want to have to rely on CAPS all the time to provide emphasis.

    1. Hey, Dashawn! I don’t get it. You asked me how to do the bolding thing, but in the post where you responded to BW’s links, above, you did a bunch of bolding. What gives? All you have to do is whatever you did in that post.

      Best,

      — x

  7. Also, I was not aware that BrothaWolf had had a death in the family. I see now from his home page that he has, and I’m sorry to hear it. At times like this, we should ALL band together and support those who are sorrowful, so I will to. I’m so sorry to hear of your hurtful news, BrothaWolf, and I join with the others in praying for you and your family, and in wishing you peace and healing.

  8. Oh, c’mon, BrothaWolf, you don’t say anything about sock puppets anywhere in your welcome page. How was I supposed to know? And is “sock puppetry” the same thing as using two ID’s to comment? And if so, I don’t get what’s wrong with it. I do it all the time, and I know that lots of others do it too. My real name says “black man” too much, so I like to use another one when I want people to just consider what I write and not have to worry about their preconceived notions.

    1. It’s a dishonest way of trying to convince that there is more than one person who share the same views as you commenting in someone else’s forum. And what’s wrong with your name ‘DaShawn’? That was the name you chose to use as your username. Anyway, like I said, you are banned from this blog because of your nonsense. I don’t mind those who disagree with me, but you condemned my opinions with insults like a little child. Why not learn how to respect other people’s opinions as I respect yours, or at least I used to.

  9. @DaShawn: to bold text, you surround the text you want to bold with <b> and </b>.

    To italicize, do the same thing, only use the letter “i”.

    Like this: <b>bolded text</b> and not bolded text. And this: <i>italicized text></i> and not italicized text

    Best,

    — x

  10. Thank you for this, I can relate to the temple rubbing I was raised under two roofs and two cultures, one being the superior only white culture the other being indigenous (not indian because that is a white definition and I do not allow white people to define me, even if they are brown! Sadly the definitions that white culture has applied is believed by too many minority people who should stop paying attention to those idiots.) and it is undeniable. One example, the last rememberance day I went to was segregated, my uncles who fought in WWII’s memorials and photos are not permitted to be hung alongside the photos and memorials of the settlers and the two segregated groups sit and lie to themselves about the freedom that those people fought and obtained for us.

    The segregation was there when I was a kid too, both sides of my family lied about our racial backgrounds when I was young, we pretended to be white, I was suppose to stay with the white’s but decided instead to venture into the no go native section because no one was ever going to convince me that it was my place to hide my race in public, to ignore and disrespect my own relatives in order to be accepted by assholes, fuck that! Best decision I ever made, walk away from white thinking and experience humanity instead.

    This is something I hang onto to keep me sane, just be happy that that you are not a white person. The reason you are not is just pure luck, you could just as well be born in their place to their parents and be just like them. I now look at them just as I would a person who is mentally ill, or addicted, like an alcoholic or junkie, I have learned to pity them. I am glad I am not so unfortunate to have had bought into and experienced their reality. Being raised white is being raised as an idiot basically, you are taught that as a white person it is my responsibility to be an idiot for the greater idiot collective which functions as a parasite and is destroying the earth which is nothing anyone should want to participate in and just be happy that you are not white.

    1. “I do not allow white people to define me, even if they are brown!”

      “I now look at them [white people] just as I would a person who is mentally ill, or addicted, like an alcoholic or junkie”

      “Best decision I ever made, walk away from white thinking and experience humanity instead.”

      “Being raised white is being raised as an idiot basically, you are taught that as a white person it is my responsibility to be an idiot for the greater idiot collective which functions as a parasite and is destroying the earth which is nothing anyone should want to participate in and just be happy that you are not white”

      And finally: “This is something I hang onto to keep me sane, just be happy that that you are not a white person.”

      Lol!

      You and sanity parted company a long, long, LONG time ago, my friend! You’ve obviously been in racist, nutball paranoia land for a VERY long time!

  11. It’s amazing how “Rational Observer” devotes so much time towards refuting the fact that racism indeed exists. But that’s the nature of the beast. It wants to silence your voice by burying you so deep in “fact” and “objectivity” that you never come out of it.

    He wanted you to get stuck in a merry-go-round of point-by-point refutations and you wouldn’t go for it. And now he and his sockpuppets are banned.

    Good.

    1. I don’t expect you ACTUALLY to read the above, it’s written above your apparent ability to understand.

      Oh I understand that is why I don’t read your posts. It’s the same shit, different toilet bowl. It’s a waste of time. It’s as Mack said and I’ll reiterate; He wanted you to get stuck in a merry-go-round of point-by-point refutations and you wouldn’t go for it. And now he and his sockpuppets are banned.

      If anything Brotha and Mack were to kind in their response to you. I do not suffer fools lightly and do not respond as such. If others wish to, then have at em!

    2. @Mack, if you read you’ll see that Rational Observer or DaShwan, or whoever he is never said that racism doesn’t exist. I believe he said it exists but it’s not a big problem in America anymore. Then he gave a load of evidence.

      I been reading this blog for a while, and I agree with the fact that white racism isn’t a big problem anymore, but I’m always ready to be persuaded that I was wrong. But noone talked about what RO said, just about who they figured he was. I don’t care if he pretended he was a thousand people, what did he say? And was he wrong? And could you prove it?

      1. You can’t prove something to someone who’s already made up his mind in the internet. I’m learning it the hard way. And after almost a thousand articles posted here in this blog alone, you’re still not convinced, I don’t know what else to tell you.

  12. @IRRATIONALobserver,

    You need to look no further than the mass incarceration of black and brown people for proof that racism still exists. All of the laws of facts listed below was to implement and subsequently target people of color as a control mechanisms. Where have you been living all of your life, … on Mars?

    1971 Pres. Nixon initiated the so-called “war on drugs.”
    1986 – Pres. Reagan increased mandatory sentencing for drug violation offenses.
    1994 – Pres. Clinton signs federal “three strikes” bill into law.
    Blacks are no more likely to commit drug crimes than whites, but 10 times more likely to be incarcerated for them.
    The United States of Amerika has over 2.2 million people incarcerated, this country has the largest percentage of its citizens in prisons and jails than any other country on the planet.
    African Americans account for only 5 percent of this country’s population but yet, make up 40 percent of its prison population.

    Further more, are you aware of the fact that 117 nations the U.N. criticized Amerikkka for police brutality and its racist police forces? Go right ahead IrrationalObserver, and continue pretending as if racism doesn’t exist and you’ll always be a character that other bloggers attribute to being an unwilling COMEDIAN!

    1. Finally, someone tries to make a case! Except, of course, that bs is arguing against something no one else is saying, so it’s still, kind of stupid. However, let’s take a look bs’s evidence:
      – 1971 war on drugs? How is that proof of any kind of white hostility toward black Americans? It’s seems to be pretty obvious proof of hostility toward drug use.

      – 1986 increased mandatory sentencing for drug offrenses? Again, seems like pretty obvious proof only of hostility toward drug abuse.

      – 1994 – The first white trash President, Clinton, sings “three strikes” law? Yeah, so? Again, no evidence whatsoever of any white hostility toward black Americans.

      – The U.S has more people incarcerated than any other country is proof only of the fact that the U.S. has more people incarcerated than any other country. That’s all. Nothing else. However, I agree, something should be done about that. It IS a problem. However, there’s no evidence that it’s a RACIAL problem.

      – Black Americans account for (actually) about 13 percent of the population (not 5%) and they make up 40% of the prison population. Black Americans commit about 40% of all crime. It appears that this statistic ACTUALLY represents the CORRECT proportion of incarcerated black Americans.

      – The UN accused the U.S of racism? That’s nearly conclusive proof that the U.S. ISN’T racist.

      The U.S. is the LEAST racist country in the world. I’ve lived in other countries. Throughout the world, they accept racism as a natural part of life. EVERYONE worldwide believes that HIS particular ethnicity is better, smarter, nicer, more humane than any other ethnicity.

      If you’re going to try to use that phrase against me, consider this: yes, there IS a group that IS the least racist in the world: It’s white European/Americans, and I can prove it. If the racist nations of the UN are accusing the U.S. of racism, it’s DEFINITELY to deflect from THEIR OWN human rights abuses.

      That was a common ploy of the Soviet Union when that hellish nation existed: to deflect from the fact that they were one of the most murderous, bloodthirsty regimes in human history, they always said things like, “Look what the Americans did to the Indians!” And, “Look what the Americans do to black people!”

      People like you, bs, simply fell for THEIR bs.

      1. Oops: Not: “SINGS “three strikes” law? ” but “SIGNS “three strikes” law?”

    2. Holy s**t! What a great debate! I’m reblogging this on my blog, then I might mention it on my radio show. If I do, I’ll contact BrothaWolf to let him know when and where. This debate has brought out a lot of things that I’ve been saying for years now.

  13. The thing with guys like “Rational Observer” it’s almost like fighting Zombies, no matter how many you smack down, another one pops up.

    Jesus Christ – I’ll give him A for effort though.

    He tries SO HARD to come across as serious, neutral and forthright but then contradicts himself all the time. He says

    “Racism is NOT part of the country’s culture in any meaningful way.”

    but then says

    “Racism is nothing unique, but rather just another flavor of human cruelty.”

    I mean, if he can’t see the irony embedded in those remarks, then he’s probably not prepared to enter a dialogue about much of anything.

    And to make it even worse he’ll then demand evidence for the existence of racism even though he’s admitted that racism exists ?

    You want proof Rational Observer ?

    Well quite frankly – I’m proof and so are the millions of black people worldwide, if you still can’t get your head around that and that’s still too much of a mind blowing concept, then just leave it.

    I think he’s just one of those pseudo intellectual types that we’ve all met, fancies himself as a great debater, where everything must be proved ….but only to his random standards.

    1. @HipHop: What you wrote is REALLY dumb. YOU admitted that, and I quote, “he admitted that racism exists” THEN, though, you tried to “prove” that racism exists! Even after YOU said HE admits it exists! THEN YOU called HIM stupid! THEN your “proof” was “you!”

      If you haven’t figured it out by now, you’re arguing, just like BrothaWolf, and everyone else on this post, AGAINST SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER SAID HERE. Everyone admits that racism exists! If it weren’t sad and kind of pathetic to watch, it would be almost funny

      Someone: “Yes, white racism exists, but it’s just not a big problem anymore in America.”

      Answer: “Oh, yeah? Well, racism DOES exist, and I’m living proof! So there!”

      And YOU accuse Rational Observer of being stupid?

      By the way, yes, in ANY debate, you DO have to make your case. You can’t just say things. That is so obvious that I shouldn’t have to say it. So, Rational Observer made his case, why don’t you try to prove him wrong?

    1. MzNikita, you should quit with the personal insults and talk about what the people are saying. Do you really think that it’s okay to insult others you don’t know just because they disagree with you on a blog post? I hope you have a hide thicker than that!

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