Response To Viewer

Remember a commenter who goes by the screen name ‘viewer’? I banned him along with his cohorts ‘FourSquare’ and ‘Apollo’. Apparently, he either forgot about his permanent banishment from my den, or he’s the type that doesn’t care. Either way, he’s back to commenting and he left this gem for me to respond to:

Are you going to let me, or others, respond? If not, then you’re worse than what you’re accusing us of. Or are you just going to throw out your accusation without allowing me and others to defend ourselves? I know whom you’re accusing of being a racist troll and if you don’t allow a response, then your rant was nothing more than pointless bombast. And cowardly to boot.

The reason I ask is because as soon as someone disagrees with you, you ban them. I’ve followed your blog with some interest, precisely BECAUSE for some reason you seem to attract intelligent, usually polite (not SnowMan) disagreement. People that you then ban.

I await your response. If you allow a response, I’ll keep it calm, and polite and I’ll respond to what you said above. I suspect others will as well. If YOU listen to THEM, which is something you’re REALLY not good at, you’ll see that it is YOU who are not listening, but who are merely spouting off.

BW, you’re very good with written words. You’re really BAD at LISTENING, and at understanding OTHERS’ words. Bottom line: You CAN’T just write an “open letter” as you did above, and not let the targets respond. That’s a coward’s game.
Again, I await your response.

I know what you’re thinking. Don’t give him the time of day. Don’t give him a platform. But before I permanently ban him again, I’ll humor him and respond to his rant as best as I possibly can.

Viewer, the reason why I don’t let you respond is because you’re not here for a conversation and everyone, including myself, can see right through it. You, and your friends were here trying to tell me how wrong I am when it comes to something you know little about like race and racism and try to dismantle my blog. And you’re here to try to get me to side with your conservative way of thinking which I don’t agree with and I don’t have to agree with if I don’t want to. Yet, your kind seems to can’t deal with it. Why else are you constantly coming back here with the same mumbo jumbo?

My blog is about being against racism. It also touches on other subjects like sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia and other subjects that’s troubling this nation, because, to put it bluntly, I’m against treating people wrong for stupid reasons. I see a lot of it from the right and left, most of the time the right. And I can’t see myself siding with them just like I can’t side completely with modern day liberalism.

I write mostly about racism, because I know it’s out there. I was a victim of racism. I’m sure a lot of my readers are victims of racism. I’m sure a lot of them are victims of other isms as well. I started this blog to express my thoughts and opinions on those ism and phobias. I opened my blog up to others who would like to express their thoughts and opinions on what’s going on in the world. But most of all, this blog is for people to get away to away from the mainstream that, for the most part, doesn’t care about the issues that are considered important.

Viewer, the subject of racism is not about the exchange of ideas when the idea is that it doesn’t exist or that it’s not a major problem in your eyes. It’s not about listening to the “other side” when that side has a problem with people like me and likely shows it one way or another that results in further harm in some form. That is why I banned you, because it seems your type of thinking runs along those lines. When it comes to racism, there is no debate as to whether it’s a serious problem or not. There is no argument. Doing so is a means of trolling and ultimately defending its existence. 

You see, I listen to you loud and clear. Your problem is that you don’t want to listen to me or any of the commenters here who simply don’t want to deal with your or anyone else’s arguments. In the end, you’re defending racism. Therefore, you like your friends are part of the problem.

I hope that’s an adequate response. If not, and something tells me that it will not satisfy you, I really don’t care. If I give in to you any further, I would only help in wasting more and more time with someone looking for a debate like someone looking for a fight. That in itself is pointless.

By the way, I can write an open letter anytime I want to.

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15 thoughts on “Response To Viewer

  1. Do not respond to anyone that is not like minded. It takes away from the focus you need to expose the bad, the evil and backward thinking whites have perpetrated in this nation; time for them to disappear. Forward with change.

  2. Are you going to let me respond?

    Anyone can just write stuff without allowing the targets of their accusations to respond. Know what they call that? Censorship is the nice term. Only fascists and totalitarians engage in censorship.

    I would think that you of all people, as concerned as you pretend to be about giving voice to the voiceless, would be the LAST to try to shut others up.

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    1. So, now I’m a fascist, eh? You really are a total right wing disciple. Lol I’ll let you respond. Although it will be the same right wing nuttery you’ve always been spouting. I shouldn’t waste my time giving you the time, but I’ll let you vent.

      And I do allow the voiceless to respond. Hell, I offer them to write articles and submit them. But your side has lots of voices: the Republican party, Fox News, the National Review, Breibart, the Blaze, the entire conservative base, etc. You have a lot of outlets. So, why the hell are you so hung up on my blog like a colossal douchebag?

      1. Thanks for that, BW! I very much appreciate the “right-wing disciple” accusation, because it corresponds to the growing understanding among historians that fascism was a phenomenon of the left, NOT of the right. It’s nice to see that you’re on board with that!

        I had to laugh at what you said about the voices available to Conservatives. You listed, and I quote: “the Republican party, Fox News, the National Review, Breibart, the Blaze” and a couple more.

        The point: you CAN list all the voices that we Conservatives have, because there are so few of them.

        You CANNOT list all the mouthpieces of the racist left, because there’s just not enough room for them all!

        I’ll start, though: Thousands of published and broadcast media outlets, CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, NPR, tens of thousands of universities and high schools, all of Hollywood (except for the Conservative underground), thousands of editorial pages across the land, nearly all of pop culture… That’s enough for now.

        I hear you already: the sheer preponderance of left-wing voices SHOULD convince me that the leftists are correct, right? Nope. Remember the flat-earthers! A long time ago, the VAST majority of people were running around saying that the earth was flat. Good thing SOME people ignored the vast majority of public opinion! I’m reminded of Gandhi’s words: “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth.”

        About your remark that “I [meaning Conservatives] have a lot of outlets”: I really don’t care to hang around only with those who agree with me. I won’t learn or grow that way. That’s true for everyone. The more you hang around only with those who agree with you, the more you admit that you have a limited intellect, and that you’re unwilling to grow and learn. That you’re just not a serious commentator.

        One more thing: I applaud your tone! At the beginning, you attacked what I say, not who I am! You should continue to do that! Though, you apparently couldn’t control yourself enough to keep from oozing out the “colossal douchebag” remark. Too bad. Other than that example of dyspeptic immaturity, your post was excellent!

        viewer

      2. How are all of the broadcast media you listed i.e. ABC, CBS, etc. considered liberal media. Why not show me some evidence that they are ‘liberal’. How is trolling around someone else’s blog a means to grow? More importantly, what have you got against the left other that it goes against your thinking?

  3. Viewer, the subject of racism is not about the exchange of ideas when the idea is that it doesn’t exist or that it’s not a major problem in your eyes. It’s not about listening to the “other side” when that side has a problem with people like me and likely shows it one way or another that results in further harm in some form. That is why I banned you, because it seems your type of thinking runs along those lines. When it comes to racism, there is no debate as to whether it’s a serious problem or not. There is no argument. Doing so is a means of trolling and ultimately defending its existence.

    This is it in a nutshell! They deny systemic racism exists and will argue the contrary. The only good thing they serve is comic fodder. Mock em’.

  4. Arooooo you tell em wolf 🐺…… I am so tired of these imbeciles, they always think that their opinion alone is what counts and everyone else is just cow manure.

    And how ironic, the facist calling you a facist, the totalitarian calling you a totalitarian. Normally I would respond with the old adage “takes one to know one” but then that would be utterly, idiotic for lack of a better term. However I would take a page from Herneith’s book and say “If I wanted to listen to an ass all I have to do is fart”

    1. Oh? Some evidence, please? Just one example will do. Without it, you are a bloviating coward, unable to back up what you say. In other words, you are not a serious person.

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  5. Thanks for the opportunity to respond. It speaks well of you!

    Again, point-by-point:

    You said:
    Remember a commenter who goes by the screen name ‘viewer’? I banned him along with his cohorts ‘FourSquare’ and ‘Apollo’. Apparently, he either forgot about his permanent banishment from my den, or he’s the type that doesn’t care. Either way, he’s back to commenting and he left this gem for me to respond to:

    My Response:
    Yes, you banned me, to your great shame. The mere thought of being afraid to face counter arguments — in a blog! — is incredible to me! Of course, I’ve dealt with the left for decades and censorship and silencing opponents is their main tactic. It is, however, a fascistic tactic incompatible with basic human decency. To your credit, BW, you appear to have recognized that, and might be backing off from that disreputable way of running a public forum.

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    You said:
    I know what you’re thinking. Don’t give him the time of day. Don’t give him a platform. But before I permanently ban him again, I’ll humor him and respond to his rant as best as I possibly can.

    My Response:
    For the life of me, I can’t imagine why “responding to him (or anyone) as best as you possibly can” wouldn’t be your ONLY way to deal with those who disagree with you! To BAN those who disagree is an act of cowardice. Or surrender. Do you really BELIEVE what you write, or not? Then DEFEND it! From all comers! I’m challenging you to elevate your blog above the merely ordinary. Your blog is INTERESTING when you have the back-and-forth! I followed you all the way back to before the xPraetorius days, and you’re BORING without opposition. Without them, you post a rant, and a bunch of apparently sheep-like followers shout their “Amens” and you go on to the next rant. Along with a thousand other race-obsessed blogs, all saying the same dreary things, and all with their own Amen choruses. Don’t like the opposition, then GIVE it a platform, and prove it wrong with your superior logic. If you’re right, then you have evidence, statistics, corroboration, facts and history on your side. If you’re wrong, then you have an opportunity to liberate yourself from holding wrong beliefs. Do you want to remain a flat-earther, or do you want to know the truth? at the very least, you have an opportunity to add perspective to your understanding. You keep insisting that white people need to do that. Why would you think that YOU’RE exempt from the same HUMAN need?

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    You said:
    Viewer, the reason why I don’t let you respond is because you’re not here for a conversation and everyone, including myself, can see right through it. You, and your friends were here trying to tell me how wrong I am when it comes to something you know little about like race and racism and try to dismantle my blog. And you’re here to try to get me to side with your conservative way of thinking which I don’t agree with and I don’t have to agree with if I don’t want to. Yet, your kind seems to can’t deal with it. Why else are you constantly coming back here with the same mumbo jumbo?

    My Response:
    You have NO idea why I came here. If I said that I came here for a conversation, then you have no way on EARTH of knowing whether that’s true or not. You simply have no ability to read minds. You can’t “see right through” anything. Have you noticed that I’ve NEVER questioned your motives, your truthfulness, your education or your character? That’s because I have no way of knowing those things. I have only your words to go on, and I operate on the assumption that you mean what you say sincerely, that there are no other motives behind what you say but to try to convince others of what you say. That’s all. When you attack my character or my motives, you say that you know something you couldn’t possibly know. And that’s obvious. Why bother with that kind of wasted effort? My WORDS are right there. Attack them! You don’t have to like them, but you DO have to consider them, and you DO have a respononsiblity to DEAL with them. Not just to run to your mommy at the first hint that someone disagrees with you.

    My friends and I DID come here to tell you that what you posted was wrong. Why? Because it was wrong. And because you libeled my friends and me, and our families, and our children. What you did, and what you do regularly, are evil things. You regularly accuse me, and all those who look like me, of horrible things, or evil deeds, and terribel thoughts and motivations. And you’re wrong, and you should be called on it. My friends and I came here politely and called you on your libels. You then insisted on banning our defense of our characters, that YOU attacked, and you continued your attacks.

    BW, think about it. YOU complain ALL THE TIME about people drawing conclusions about YOU based on the behavior of others. You complain ALL THE TIME about people suggesting that black people are prone to crime based on the behavior of some. You complain ALL THE TIME about people suggesting that all black men are bad family men based on the behavior of some. Why would YOU, of ALL people, get upset when someone else, to whom you do the exact same thing, defends himself?

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    You said:
    My blog is about being against racism. It also touches on other subjects like sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia and other subjects that’s troubling this nation, because, to put it bluntly, I’m against treating people wrong for stupid reasons. I see a lot of it from the right and left, most of the time the right. And I can’t see myself siding with them just like I can’t side completely with modern day liberalism.

    My Response:
    I’ll grant you the first part. However, the racism YOU’RE against is no longer a big problem in America. There IS white racism. It’s the racism of the American left, of which you’re a voting member, who think that absent THEIR intervention, black people are too stupid, too incompetent, and too undisciplined to make it in America. When you go railing against a type of racism that has nearly disappeared in America, you take the easy way out. By the way, if you don’t believe me, then you should take your own words. Go back and read all you have written. Go out and read all the black blogs, as I do, and take in the violence, the anger, the rage… and the SAFETY. These bloggers, like you, risk absolutely NOTHING in railing against white racism in America. Why? Because white racism in America exists, but it’s toothless. It’s feeble. EVERYONE condemns white racism! It’s the safest thing in the world. You can put out a blog saying the vilest things about white people all you want, and you will never have to worry about your safety, your family’s safety or your job. Heck you might GET a job out of it! Well, if there were white racism all around, then you simply wouldn’t be able to do that without risk. White racism, as you understand it, is simply not a big problem in America anymore, and you’re living proof of it. White racism on the LEFT IS a serious problem.

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    You said:
    I write mostly about racism, because I know it’s out there. I was a victim of racism. I’m sure a lot of my readers are victims of racism. I’m sure a lot of them are victims of other isms as well. I started this blog to express my thoughts and opinions on those ism and phobias. I opened my blog up to others who would like to express their thoughts and opinions on what’s going on in the world. But most of all, this blog is for people to get away to away from the mainstream that, for the most part, doesn’t care about the issues that are considered important.

    My Response:
    Everyone knows white racism is out there. And I’ve been the victim of racism as well. I’ve been denied a mortgage, a couple of jobs and several promotions because of the color of my skin, and the fact that I represent zero “Affirmative Action Points.” Whatever. I’ll never suggest that America is a racist country against whites. Nor will I ever suggest that America is perfect. However, it’s the greatest country that’s ever been, and there’s NO ONE trying to get out. There ARE millions and millions and millions trying to get in, of whom the VAST majority are non-white. YOU tell ME how THAT can be even POSSIBLE if this country were the racist hellhole you insist that it is.

    You can have a blog all you want that addresses all the things you want to address, but you do NOT have any right whatsoever to make PUBLIC accusations against innocent people and expect them to take it lying down. You have a MORAL obligation to LISTEN to those you accuse, who just might be able to give you the perspective you so sorely need. There is a simple truth: to address a problem, you must first CORRECTLY identify the problem. If you INCORRECTLY identify the problem, the SOLUTIONS you propose can NEVER solve the ACTUAL problem. You are incorrectly identifying a problem.

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    You said:
    Viewer, the subject of racism is not about the exchange of ideas when the idea is that it doesn’t exist or that it’s not a major problem in your eyes. It’s not about listening to the “other side” when that side has a problem with people like me and likely shows it one way or another that results in further harm in some form. That is why I banned you, because it seems your type of thinking runs along those lines. When it comes to racism, there is no debate as to whether it’s a serious problem or not. There is no argument. Doing so is a means of trolling and ultimately defending its existence.

    My Response:
    You know very well, that no one has EVER said that racism doesn’t exist. Are you EVER going to stop that mantra? Why would you try so hard to argue against an argument that no one has EVER made?

    My “side” has no problem whatsoever “with people like you.” Let’s face it: YOU have a problem with people like me! At LEAST tell it like it is.

    When you say “there is no debate as to whether it’s [white racism] a serious problem or not,” you say that YOU get to decide what’s a serious problem, when it’s a serious problem, and why. Sorry. No one has that exclusive right. Can you imagine if the flat-earthers tried to shut up those who disagreed by saying, “There’s not debate, there’s no argument.” Oh, that’s right, they did. If they had succeeded, we’d still be teaching that the earth is flat in school. There’s ALWAYS room for debate. ALWAYS. Anytime you EVER hear anyone say that “there’s no debate,” that “the argument’s settled,” that the “science is settled,” or anything like that, alarm bells should go off in your head, and you should be figuring that someone’s just trying to squash disagreement. That almost always means that the one trying to silence opposition is incsecure in his beliefs. So, yes, there is PLENTY of debate as to whether or not white racism is a serious problem in America today, and I can give you names of those doing the very public debating.

    A lesson for life for you BW: Nothing is EVER settled. Everything is always changing. Tomorrow, EVERYTHING on earth will be different from how it is today. You need to be receptive to that change, and perceptive enough to recognize the trajectory of that change. Every time you say (and it’s been dozens of times!) “I’ll NEVER change my mind!” you make a fool of yourself. The wise man is ALWAYS ready to change his mind, ALWAYS open to new input, new knowledge, new learning, new wisdom.

    One more small thing: disagreement, the polite disagreement that I always engage in, is NOT trolling. You don’t get to re-define polite, respectful as “trolling.”

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    You said:
    You see, I listen to you loud and clear. Your problem is that you don’t want to listen to me or any of the commenters here who simply don’t want to deal with your or anyone else’s arguments. In the end, you’re defending racism. Therefore, you like your friends are part of the problem.

    My Response:
    BW: Maybe you listen, but you don’t hear. Want proof? You CONTINUE to say that my friends and I say that racism doesn’t exist. That’s something none of us has EVER said, and we have reminded you of that DOZENS of times. I listen to you all the time, and you continue to tell stories of one-offs and isolated incidents. Those who agree with you tend to do little more than heap gratuitous insults on my friends and me. Herneith has never once ACTUALLY addressed something that my friends or I have written, but has “contributed” what she thinks are clever little insults and sneers. So, you’re right, I tend to ignore them. And, you CONTINUE to say that my friends and I “defend racism.” Oh? Seriously? Where? Name ONE time that my friends or I have EVER defended racism. And, please, don’t insult anyone’s intelligence with something brainless like, “Oh, you just don’t KNOW you’re defending racism.” It’s hogwash before you even write it down, and you know it.

    Since my friends and I DON’T, obviously, defend racism, and never have, then we are NOT, equally obviously, part of any problem.

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    You said:

    I hope that’s an adequate response. If not, and something tells me that it will not satisfy you, I really don’t care. If I give in to you any further, I would only help in wasting more and more time with someone looking for a debate like someone looking for a fight. That in itself is pointless.

    My Response:
    BW: when you ACTUALLY respond, your responses ALWAYS satisfy me, as part of a much longer, ongoing discussion. You SHOULD care about that. Do you REALLY think that minds can be changed, that REAL change worth having can be made, that REAL communication between otherwise antagonistic groups can happen with just a few dozen internet blog exchanges? Of which more than a few of them consist of your friends and you accusing my friends and me of racism, lying, hating, etc.? Are you REALLY howling for justice, or are you just howling to hear yourself howl?

    If you’re NOT looking for a fight, then I advise you to stop publishing fighting words. If I were to take to a blog and start calling black people all sorts of vile names, and accusing them of all sorts of vile things, I’D expect LOTS of opposition. That’s kind of obvious.

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    You said:
    By the way, I can write an open letter anytime I want to.

    My Response:
    That’s exactly right. However, you have a MORAL obligation to allow the target of your accusations to respond to those accusations. That’s the decent thing to do. If you don’t, then you reveal yourself to be nothing more than a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

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    1. I wasn’t ashamed of blocking you, and I wasn’t afraid of counter arguments. The problem, as I’ve stated before, was that what you argued against something that was true. I spared myself and you further embarrassment. That’s why I blocked you. And now that I allowed you back in my blog, your continued ramblings reminded me of why I removed you from my den. By the way, you are in no moral position to lecture me on basic human decency. I don’t have to read your mind to reach that conclusion. I could just read your comments and take it from there.

      You have NO idea why I came here. If I said that I came here for a conversation, then you have no way on EARTH of knowing whether that’s true or not. You simply have no ability to read minds. You can’t “see right through” anything. Have you noticed that I’ve NEVER questioned your motives, your truthfulness, your education or your character? That’s because I have no way of knowing those things. I have only your words to go on, and I operate on the assumption that you mean what you say sincerely, that there are no other motives behind what you say but to try to convince others of what you say. That’s all. When you attack my character or my motives, you say that you know something you couldn’t possibly know. And that’s obvious. Why bother with that kind of wasted effort? My WORDS are right there. Attack them! You don’t have to like them, but you DO have to consider them, and you DO have a respononsiblity to DEAL with them. Not just to run to your mommy at the first hint that someone disagrees with you.

      I don’t have to know why you’re here. Again, I can tell by your actions alone. And remember, I didn’t start this argument. YOU CAME HERE WANTING AN ARGUMENT AND I DELIVERED.

      My friends and I DID come here to tell you that what you posted was wrong. Why? Because it was wrong. And because you libeled my friends and me, and our families, and our children. What you did, and what you do regularly, are evil things. You regularly accuse me, and all those who look like me, of horrible things, or evil deeds, and terribel thoughts and motivations. And you’re wrong, and you should be called on it. My friends and I came here politely and called you on your libels. You then insisted on banning our defense of our characters, that YOU attacked, and you continued your attacks.

      You and your friends were wrong and I called you on them as well. I even tried to show how you were wrong, but you haven’t proved to me how I was wrong without injecting reference from a right wing website, not anything academic or nonpartisan.

      BW, think about it. YOU complain ALL THE TIME about people drawing conclusions about YOU based on the behavior of others. You complain ALL THE TIME about people suggesting that black people are prone to crime based on the behavior of some. You complain ALL THE TIME about people suggesting that all black men are bad family men based on the behavior of some. Why would YOU, of ALL people, get upset when someone else, to whom you do the exact same thing, defends himself?

      If I have the right to ‘complain’ as you call it, then I have the right to complain. If you don’t understand why, there’s nothing further to talk about.

      I don’t have the time to play your right wing games. This will end up in us going around in circles, and frankly I have better things to do than feed the troll. In other words, your free pass is expired. Goodbye.

    1. I don’t have any problems with how someone else run their blog. I run my blog how I see fit. If you have a problem with that, do the simplest thing and leave. How hard is that?

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