Paula Deen and the Good Ole’ Days of Overt Racism

I know I’m late for saying my piece on the Paula Deen n-word scandal. And what I will say won’t be as clever as other bloggers. Still, I’ll do my best.But first, let’s get to the basics.

Paula Deen is, or was, Food Network’s popular chef with a wholesome Southern charm to her dishes. However, she’s also a racist, a proud one until recently.

It began with a lawsuit by a former employee to one of her restaurants.  Lisa Jackson accused the fallen chef of “creating a hostile working environment which include racist and sexist behavior. The lawsuit was aimed at Paula Deen’s bro Bubba, but it revelations surfaced that she is not exactly a progressive liberal herself.

Paula admits that she used the n-word, but to her defense, she uses it to describe black criminals like the one that tried to rob her at gunpoint once, or so she claims. And that’s not all. She wants middle-aged black men to pretend to be “slaves” at an old-school Southern wedding. “Old-school” in this case refers to the days of slavery where white supremacy was overtly brazen.

As a result for her speaking her raised-on-racism mind, Food Network fires Paula Deen. She releases a couple of videos giving faux-pologies to everyone except the very people she offended, us negroes. Twitter blows up with witty tweets mocking her. And – of course – people are up in arms defending her, including – you guessed it – a black guy who’s friends with her.

It’s easy as pie to demonize Paula Deen for her racism. And she deserves it. No amount of her Southern fried charm can dismiss her white supremacy and her apparent dreams for the days where blacks served whites with a smile – or else.

Paula isn’t alone.

Some, if not most, white people in the South (particularly) have these idyllic fantasies about how things used to be. They see the old Hollywood-induced images of refinement and elegant decor. They see polite gentlemen and dainty ladies wearing 19th Century fashion living in huge alluring mansions on beauteous plantations, most which still exist to this day.

White people see movies, TV shows, stories – from word of mouth or books, go on historic tours and see live-action Civil War shows which illustrate romanticism to the Old South from the point of view of whites. Any degree of the violent environment of slavery is either minimized or left out completely so as to not disturb the nice white folks with a possible guilt trip. So, there’s no surprise why many whites today yearn for those days just to see how exciting those times presumably were, and have fun.

And don’t think for one minute that it is just isolated in the deep South. It is everywhere. There are white people who miss the days where they are on top of the world, free to do and say whatever they want without consequences. They miss their God-like status and some are frantic that it’s being withered away.

The historic truths behind slavery and Jim Crow can not be suppressed, and it shouldn’t be. Both are part of American history, the kind of history many will immediately cop-out with the old “Africans sold slaves too” argument.

As for the n-word rationalizations that include that black people use it all the time in their rap songs, white people lost that privilege. It’s not up to you on what words we say or should say to each other. So, they need to – as they always tell us to do when it comes to that particular time period that they can’t stand to hear about – get over it.

So, is this the end Paula Deen’s empire? No. Her white privilege will save her no matter how wrong she is.

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154 thoughts on “Paula Deen and the Good Ole’ Days of Overt Racism

  1. Her supporters are in the numbers. They will probably bring her back on the Food Network. She even has black people on her team. She who she has always been a racist.

  2. You have to be kidding! I love it when I see all these people who can tell you ALL about someone based on the TINIEST bit of input.

    The actual truth? You have no IDEA under the sun whether she is a racist or not.

    In fact, I suspect YOU have a larger chance of being a racist than she does. Trust me I carry no water for Paula Deen…I don’t know her from Adam, and I have as much knowledge of her, probably, as you do.

    You and other wolf-crying paranoiacs need to take a DEEP breath! I’ll tell you a simple truth: There’s probably not a single person IN THE WORLD who could present ALL snippets of their lives to everyone and pass all tests. Yourself included.

    Based on your IMMEDIATE conviction of her, YOU’re probably (<– key word — I don;t know you either, but your post was perfectly moronic.) a greater, easier, more comfortable, more automatic racist than Deen.

    Take a deep breath, grow up, lighten up, admit it when you don't know something.

    Again, you know not NEARLY enough about her to say whether or not she's a racist…neither do I. Her immediate conviction by that least reliable of all sources — the media — is what's sad.

    Best,

    — x

    1. Are you serious? Do you even know what racism is? Have you even read the blog or any of the reports about what she said and did? Yet, you have doubts about her being a racist, but you hint that I’m more of a racist than she is? She even admitted about her convictions and made a false apology in her videos. Yet, you still doubt her? Really?

      If you don’t know what racism is, do yourself a favor and don’t say anything, lest you look like a racism supporter.

      1. I didn’t say I had doubts about her being a racist, I said I didn’t know. Reread.

        You probably don’t know either. You can guess all you want, but if you are calling people “racist” based on mere guesses — and your essay and your reply to me indicate that you are — then you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

        Sorry: your judgement of her character is based solely on the color of her skin and a few reports from the least reliable purveyors of information in the world: the media. That’s just dumb…stop it.

        Furthermore, your presumption to tell ME what I know and what I think, based on nearly NOTHING, is the same kind of blinkered, dumb thinking.

        You know NOTHING about me, my past, my experience, my education or my knowledge. You don’t even know my skin color!

        And, trust me, you do NOT want to go around comparing YOUR knowledge base with mine. Don’t presume to tell me what I know or what I’m thinking. I’LL tell YOU all that. And I’ll extend to you the same courtesy.

        Best,

        — x

      2. In the first place, I asked you the following:

        Are you serious? Do you even know what racism is? Have you even read the blog or any of the reports about what she said and did? Yet, you have doubts about her being a racist, but you hint that I’m more of a racist than she is? She even admitted about her convictions and made a false apology in her videos. Yet, you still doubt her? Really?

        You haven’t answered any of those questions as I expected.

        I called her a racist because she showed her racism. She even admitted it in one report! Yet, you don’t think she is one? So, what is racism to you?

        My judgment is based on her actions, the actions that she herself admitted to. I don’t care if she was black or brown. What she did and said was offensive to a certain group of people.

        I don’t favor the media myself either, but in this case, this woman set herself up and it was reported everywhere. Yet, you think the media is to blame in this case, not the woman centered in this case.

        I never told you what you should think. I dunno where you’ve come up with that, but I never told you what to think. So, don’t tell me what I should think either. Don’t think you are my parent and tell me anything that I don’t already know. You don’t have to come to my blog, but you did out of boredom and a clear mission to “civilize” my thinking. All you’re doing is denying what is right in front of you, refuse to answer any questions and make assumptions.

      3. ** Sigh ** You just don’t read, do you. I never, ever, not ever, ever, not even once said “I think she’s not a racist.” I said — TWICE — I don’t know. In fact, I’ll quote myself directly: “I don’t know.” And neither do you.

        You tell me of a report in which you said Deen admitted to racism…Ok, I’ve heard 30 reports in which she said she’s not. The reports cancel each other out completely.

        All I’m saying is you have convicted based on reports in the media…the LEAST reliable source of information there can be.

        Now, I’ll quote you: “You don’t have to come to my blog, but you did out of boredom and a clear mission to “civilize” my thinking.” This is CLEARLY telling me what I was thinking and why I came to your blog. You were wrong on both counts. Again, I’LL tell you why I do things, not you. Got it? Good.

        Now: I came to your blog because I have my own points of view, and I constantly seek out challenges to my points of view. I constantly seek out points of view that differ from my own. THAT’s why I came to your blog.

        So, did you REALLY make your blog public to the world in order NEVER to hear a dissenting point of view? Really?!? If so, that’s just sad. You call yourself a blogger?

        Do YOU seek out other points of view that challenge your own? You don’t need to answer that question to me, but rather to yourself, and don’t deceive yourself. If the answer is negative, then all your work is nothing but smoke.

        I WILL tell you that everything I’ve read in your blog so far is what I’ve already read hundreds and hundreds of times before. Nothing original, nothing new, nothing but the usual tripe about how “it’s all the white man’s fault,” etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum. This despite the indisputable fact that this country aggressively discriminates in favor of all manner of minorities (blacks, hispanics, gays) and even one majority (women).

        Ironically, it just MIGHT be “all the white man’s fault.” All the programs in the pro-minorities régime in place for nearly 50 years now have done nothing but transfer trillions of dollars and infantilize minorities and women. This seems to have brought about the pedestrian whininess of your blog and of so many others.

        Simple truth: if you are a black person (since that seems to be the minority with which you are most concerned), and you are willing to work hard, educate yourself, speak well, work well with others, you can NOT fail in America. That is a status NO other group — even the most favored — enjoys.

        For every instance of discrimination against black people, there 100 instances of discrimination in FAVOR of black people. That’s called “affirmative action.” For every black person who wants an education, there are 100 universities willing to do whatever it takes to give him one. For every black person who wants a job, there are hundreds of “affirmative action” programs at hundreds of companies where they will do whatever they can to hire him. There are just no excuses for black failure in America.

        There…I’ve challenged your thinking. Prove me wrong. No studies, no statistics, please…for every study or statistic you can provide, I can provide five that counter it. Tell me something I DON’T already know. Tell me something I haven’t already heard.

        I probably won’t return to your blog…not because it’s counter to my views, but because it’s boring…all the same old bitterness for no reason that I can find in a thousand other places, by a thousand other people who are looking for excuses not to succeed in America.

        Maybe you’re just young and need time to find other points of view…you seem young, and that might factor in your favor. There might be hope for you! Probably not, however, if you’re older than 30. I’ve rarely seen those who are older than 30 be able to escape from the plantation.

        You write well, so you have some education… However, you SEEM never to have exposed yourself to other points of view. I hope that this challenge will help you along your way.

        Best,

        — x

      4. Do you realize everything you’ve told me is nothing new also? You’re defending a racist white woman while miserably portraying yourself to be unbiased. This country discriminates in favor of minorities. All I need to do is work hard. And blah, blah, blah.

        Face it and man up. You’re not here to challenge a point of view. You are just here to troll around. I’ve looked at your blog and it’s typical in itself, the same old conservative POV that has sheltered many people from harsh realities and truths while blaming POC for their faults. But to blame white people for anything is a big no no huh? White people are blameless, aren’t they? Blaming them is like blaming Jesus, it’s blasphemous.

        All you’ve done was tell me that I was wrong in my conviction. Why? Because it came from the media. Listen, I don’t care for the media in large doses either. I don’t take EVERYTHING they give me at face value. Still, there are some cases where I have to be aware of what’s going on, and even then I question it. But when there are multiple stories about this one story and when this woman even made videos admitting what she’s accused of, this is something I need to keep my eye on because it affects me as a POC.

        My problem with you is that you are likely to talk first and don’t listen. You’re only interested in different points of view only so that you can’t find ways to dismantle them. From what I’ve seen, you use the same old tools that other like you have used in blogs like mine.

        And I DO call myself a blogger even if you disagree. I welcome disagreements. But all you’ve given me were broken record responses, all of which have been shot down numerous times not just by me, but by other people. And you call them liberals and as such, their arguments aren’t valid due to that simple fact.

        I can only assume that you are a white man hence the “Blame the white man” trope you’ve given me. I also assume that based on your weak and tired argument that everyone is getting more than their fair share except the poor white man, the most oppressed human on Earth. If that’s the case, you are really sad. Why not follow your own advise and work harder if things are that bad, or are you being discriminated against for being a white guy?

      5. First of all, it’s “advice.”

        You STILL haven’t addressed any of my points… you’re simply blowing more smoke about who you think I am (you’re wrong), and what you think I think (you’re wrong again).

        If you actually HAD read my blog, you would see that you had been reading the writing of several bloggers, not only of me. That’s for another day.

        Your reply of “I know you are, but what am I?” is really weak.

        At some point you need to learn that you can’t make assumptions. Yours are wrong. Again…and again you simply don’t read, do you? I simply said the obvious: I don’t know whether she’s a racist, and neither do you.

        And, again, I’LL tell YOU why I was here, not you. Got it? If not, get it. And, of course, I’ll extend to you the same courtesy…have you even ONCE noticed that I have NEVER once made any assumptions about who YOU are, what YOU know, what YOUR education or experience level is? Except for those things that I can glean from your writing.

        And, of course, you’ll ALSO notice that I’ve addressed ONLY the things in your silly writings.

        Yet, you tell me ALL about me…and, of course, you were wrong in every instance. Stop trying to find out who I am, you won’t be able to. Besides, if you ACTUALLY knew, you’d fall over from the shock. Trust me, you don’t know who, how or what I am, and you’ll never be able to find that out. Stop trying to find it out and deal with challenging the neanderthal, reactionary points of view expressed in your silly essay.

        This last incoherent response of yours represents the THIRD time that I have told you very plainly that I don’t know whether or not PD is racist, there’s not enough information. I won’t tell you again. You seem CAPABLE of intelligence. Stop saying the same thing over and over and over again and start challenging your apparently deeply ignorant points of view.

        Oh, and prove my points wrong.

        Best,

        — x

      6. Well, first of all, I don’t need your kind of advice. Like I’ve said before, it’s nothing new or constructive. It’s the same dribble I’ve heard a million times over.

        And I’ve addressed all your points with one simple response, I’ve heard it all before, and it’s no closer to being right even if you’ve said it a hundred times.

        You did make assumptions. You assumed that I did not read your responses. I have and responded accordingly. It’s you who doesn’t want to accept them. Besides, you haven’t even answer my most important question as to what racism is, have you. Don’t tell me you have, because I’m not stupid. You haven’t even bothered to answer the question.

        Plain and simple, if you don’t know if PD is a racist or not, then you don’t know what racism is or you are just fooling yourself in denial. She IS racist. It shows. Now, deal with it.

        I don’t need a lot of information to tell what something is racist or not. As a POC I can tell because I’ve been a victim of it. But you won’t accept it because there’s “not enough information”, it was reported in the media or just because I say so. Who are you to determine what I think is racist or not? Answer me that.

        I can not prove racism to you, apparently, because racism is psychological and illogical. I can’t prove something that is illogical. You were obviously raised not to know what racism is or how it affects POC. So, your request to prove racism is invalid. So, how about asking me what racism is and how it affects me instead of persuading me to think differently? Or is that too much to ask?

      7. Look…I’ve given you concrete examples of real racial discrimination that you refuse to address… I understand because I engaged in it…systematically, openly and unabashedly for years. I received bonuses the more I engaged in radial discrimination against white people. You have nothing to say about this. It continues.

        I truly don’t care about your experiences with racism, not because I don’t care about you, I do. However, your experiences are called “anecdotes.” Out of context, they’re perfectly meaningless.

        For every slight you’ve suffered, each anecdote — real or imagined — I can find 1,000 other anecdotes that might prove your experiences to be isolated incidents.

        Ask my friend, BHO, he’s the President of the United States.

        Oh, and stop with the POC silliness…how about just P…you know: “People?” When you can get past what seems to be an obsession with the color of your and other people’s skin, you will be a much better person…and you will see that white people are really not all that bad. Certainly no worse, or more racist, than you or I.

        Oh, and you STILL have no idea what the color of MY skin is…but I DO know a LOT of white people. And a lot of NON-white people. And, you STILL have no REAL idea — just guesses — as to whether or not PD is a racist.

        Good luck, BW! You’ve said nothing of substance; you’ve addressed none of the REAL examples I’ve given you; you apparently have no arguments to apply to my examples, and you appear to have no inclination to challenge your current states of mind, so you will need all the luck you can get in life.

        All in all, I like you so far…you’ve hung in there tenaciously, even though you took a serious whupping from the standpoint of the ACTUAL argument between us.

        Go search out the writings of black Conservatives — they’re black and they have a perspective vastly different from yours. Presumably, they’ve experienced all the slights and injustices you’ve experienced. Think about what people like Bill Cosby have said.

        Look at the writings of prominent black Republicans too. People like Booker T. Washington, Martin Luther King, Jr., Frederick Douglass…see what they have to say. Broaden your horizons and expand your thinking. Your current thinking appears pinched and crabbed, old, shabby, long worn out and discarded by a society that has long ago moved on from this kind of neanderthal maundering.

        Good luck!

        Best,

        — x

      8. You’ve shown me that you don’t care about what POC go through because you THINK they are “out of context” and meaningless. Even if it was one or a thousand, they mean something to them and those around them.

        Let me tell you something, POC will stop with their fixation on color when, and only when white people get over their obsession with whiteness. Period.

        Like I said, I can only assume that you’re white. I never said you were white. If you are or you’re not, you are definitely whitewashed severely.

        I already know the viewpoints of black conservatives and I do not agree with them. I do not agree with conservatism because conservatism doesn’t have my best interests at heart.

        And you know what, you can stop with your white paternalism. I am not a child. I am a grown human being. So, let’s cut that out and stop telling me what I should do to please you, anything to get me to say “You’re right.” I do not agree with you. Paula Deen is a racist just like most white people in America. And there is nothing to argue about that.

      9. Here ya go, BW…in no particular order:

        First: Pretty sad.

        Next: Now, you’ve shown yourself to be a through-and-through racist.

        Your quote: “Paula Deen is a racist just like most white people in America”

        You’re a racist. A complete, dyed-in-the-wool, flat-out, generalizing, unthinking, hyper-defensive, caught-in-the-act-red-handed racist.

        If I EVER were to presume to say ANYTHING about “most black people,” despite my rather extensive credentials in the area, I’d be PILLORIED…as what? You guessed it! A racist! If I would be a racist, then, guess what: you are, because YOU said it!

        Want more proof? You told me flat out that white people are obsessed with whiteness. Ummm…sorry, but imputing certain thinking to an entire population based on the color of their skin is the purest of racism.

        Your thinking, as expressed in all the writings I’ve read today is undeveloped, petulant, whiny and, frankly, pathetic. Truly you should be abashed.

        Also: I’ve never asked you to do ANYTHING to please me…why would you presume that I care?

        Next: You do NOT know the viewpoints of any Conservatives.

        Obviously.

        Now, you’re just mailing it in…you’re just saying things, as they ALWAYS do on the left. Anyone can just say things…”Most white people are racist.” “Conservatives don’t have my best interests at heart.” “White men are privileged.” “You’re a racist.” Yeah, yeah, yeah…whatever.

        You offer no proof, you likely have no experience, or REAL knowledge and no REAL learning, but it sure does shut ’em up when we don’t have an argument for ’em, doesn’t it??? Well, some of us don’t just roll over for the crap accusations, as we once did. Sometimes, we get fed up with the MORONIC, pathetic accusations, from petty, pathetic, brainless people.

        Plus all the things you told me about me are simply …ummmm… false. 🙂

        Next: You fall for the simplest of traps…as soon as you’re outgunned in an argument out come the “You’re a racist,” and “Maybe you’re not white, but your whitewashed,” and “You don’t care about POC,” and all the rest of the whiny litany…”Let’s see, which ones should I use now? I think I’ll pull out #3, #17, #19, #31 and #56…THAT’ll shut ’em up! I even got the homophobe one in there!

        I was thinking I could make a fortune by putting together a numbered guide to all the stupid names that the left hurls reflexively at anyone who dares differ with them. I’d laminate it and put on a 5″ x 6″ piece of paper. Then, they could just whip it out whenever they’re getting trounced in an argument (the thing would get a LOT of use) and say, “Oh yeah?!? Well 6 and 19 and 27 and 32 and 35 and 43 and 77! So there!” It’d save the lefties a LOT of time!

        Next: Look, pal, this back-and-forth just ain’t about me! Can’t you get that through your skull?!? Leave off the obsessing over me and where I come from and what I’m thinking, and who brought me up and what the color of my skin is and what I’m thinking. ‘Cause you won’t get it right…you never have yet. Time to focus on the IDEAS. It’s about truth, and ideas, and about learning, and about experiencing REAL life.

        If I had the tunnel-vision YOU have, I’d NEVER have been able to accomplish one-one-HUNDREDTH of all that I’ve been able to accomplish.

        Look, kid…I don’t need to win this argument — I did that long ago — but I kinda like your stick-to-itiveness…

        Here, last word…I won’t do you any more favors. I’ve already given you enough in just our short correspondence so far, to get you out of your blinkers and into a real life. You’re welcome.

        Here’s my last challenge to you: Prove to me that if you get an education, work hard, speak well, get along with others, you can’t succeed as a black person in America. PROVE that to me! If you can’t, then stop your whining, because you’ve already set yourself up to fail, and you might as well get used to it. And that’ll be YOUR own fault, and no one else’s.

        Best,

        — x

      10. Several things:

        1. I AM a racist because I live in a racist nation. Most white people are racist in some way or another. And POC have internalized racism due to institutionalized and personal racism done by whites.

        2. Credentials? Do you think black people are some kind of course or subject to study? If so, why not use the best source which are black people themselves, and not just black conservatives. As a side note, we don’t all think the same nor should we. We are not a monolith. We are individuals like you.

        3. Where do you think this racist thinking came from? POC did not invent it. Many of us took it in through varying degrees. It’s learned and internalized and if you think POC are more racist than whites, you are heavily mistaken.

        4. I should be abashed? Who are you the blog police? Your imperialist mentality needs to be checked. I run my blog and say what I want to say even if it offends people like you. I shouldn’t have to be ashamed of anything I wrote, and I’m not. So, don’t try and send me on any guilt trip.

        5. Conservatives and most liberals do not have my or YOUR best interest at heart, but you are more likely to root for one still. SMH.

        6. Insults do not make you any more right or smarter.

        7. This topic isn’t about you. You’ve made it personal to begin with.

        8. What POC express is not “whiny litany”. It’s funny how folks like you see it as whiny while you complain about affirmative action being racist against whites and I’m supposed to feel sorry for you. Come on, now. 🙂

        9. I’m not obsessing over you. Why should I? You are not special and neither am I. Besides, YOU keep coming over here, and I’ve said that my conclusion stands. But you can’t seem to take it as you resort to name calling. I can take that you have a more conservative reasoning, but I don’t accept it just like I can’t accept you not knowing that what PD did was offensive and racist.

        10. In case you didn’t know, I am also about truth, ideas and so on. But you should know that what you think may or may not be true and that even if it was, it’s NOT the only truth out there. To hold on to one conviction is a case of close-mindedness.

        11. This is all about winning an argument? So, you’re not in the business of learning outside the usual, eh? Like I thought, you are not here for a debate, but for condemnation.

        12. I never said that education and hard work won’t grant success in America. Besides, what does that have to do with the topic? That is just a derail tactic. Why not address in the Open Thread or through email?

      11. Better, BW, much better…however, all you said was, again: “No you’re not, I am!” and variations on that theme.

        As regards: “What does that have to do with the topic?” Easy. In a racist nation, education, hard work, good speaking, and a pleasing personality would NEVER result in black success.

        If, indeed, as is the case, they nearly ALWAYS result in success for all black people who’ve tried them, then you proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are NOT a racist country.

        Oh, I know…you’ll find some way in which black people can be FABULOUSLY wealthy (some of them in whining about how HORRIBLY racist America is) in all walks of life and STILL it’s a racist country. Oh, yeah…I wonder…what’s the skin color of the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the history of the world?

        Oops.

        You guys in the race grievance industry would be well-served just letting it drop and finding something real to complain about.

        Is there still racism? Sure. But, I’d venture to guess, most of it’s on the black side now. ALL the PUBLIC racism in on the black side…you have made a public display of it above. You’ll note that I’ve refrained from making any generalizations beyond guesses and speculation about any race at all.

        And, if you will re-read, you’ll ALSO note that I have given you a comprehensive definition of racism — as you requested. Just not in the form you requested.

        I might go through and address your points one-by-one tomorrow (nicely organized, by the way, but I live on the East Coast, and it’s time for bed for me.)

        One last thing: racism is a choice. I don’t care where you live. You either live your life consciously or not. If you choose to live your life unconsciously, then your racism is YOUR fault, and no one else’s. It’s one thing to admit you’re a racist, but your NEXT duty is to renounce your racism and stop being a racist.

        Best,

        — x

      12. First off, black success has nothing to do with the Paula Deen scandal, not even remotely.

        Second, I haven’t proved we are not a racist country. If you were to read my response, you would see that I would not discuss it HERE because it was way off topic.

        Third, You are still way off topic concerning black wealth. I will talk about this in the Open Thread or through email. Please stop discussing it here. All you’re doing is derailing an argument.

        Forth, Everything we’ve “complained” about was real, real to us. You lack the empathy needed to understand and it clearly shows.

        Fifth, here we go with blacks being the most racist trope which is similar to blaming the victim. And you did make generalizations when you said that most racism and all public racism is on the black side.

        Sixth, saying that racism is my fault is not only ridiculous, but contemptible. I didn’t choose to be born black in a racist society. But society, for the large part chose to be racist against me and my people. And my racism is a reaction to that.

      13. I always accept responsibility, but you don’t. Some white people I’ve seen in conversations about race don’t take any responsibility for the past or present. How can a victim of racism be at fault for racism? Their only crime was being born with a different shade of skin. Saying that racism is their choice is like blaming them for being born nonwhite. Are you serious??? And to blame them for any hint of prejudice they have towards whites without finding out why is unintelligent. I told you that it was a result of racism towards them, but you won’t except it. Like it or not, that is not a smart thing to do.

      14. Again, BW, you STILL have NO idea what color my skin is. And I’m not going to tell you. I warn you right now against trying (1) to guess, or (2) to smoke it out of me…ain’t going to happen. I’m not going to allow you to draw any conclusions about me from such superficial characteristics. I will tell you one thing: if you were to see me, you would be very, VERY shocked. Then you’d likely embarrass yourself. I am absolutely not REMOTELY what you expect.

        Next: Your states of mind are your own…YOU choose them, they are not chosen for you. You’ve identified that you’re a racist — that’s the first step — now stop being one.

        You can try to blame white people for your state of mind all you want, but why would you grant them that power? Why on EARTH would you grant them that power.

        YOU are in charge of your opinions, your states of mind, your beliefs, your feelings. You, and only you. You, and only you, are responsible for them.

        The credit belongs to you, and only you, when they’re good; the blame belongs to you, and only you, when they’re bad.

        Sorry, BW, that’s Life 101.

        Best,

        — x

      15. I don’t care what color of your skin is. You could be plaid for all I care. I don’t know why you’re obsessed over that? That is not what’s on topic here at all. Why are you making it a big deal?

        Maybe people like me will stop being racist when people like you stop trying to be white.

        First off, I’ve ever blamed white people for my state of mind. Second, why on Earth would you think there’s no external influence to that mindset? That’s just stupid. That’s a part of Life 101 and Reality 101. Learn it.

      16. 1. I don’t care what color of your skin is. You could be plaid for all I care. I don’t know why you’re obsessed over that? That is not what’s on topic here at all. Why are you making it a big deal?

        YOU made it a big dea, by constantly trying to tell me about me…just reminding you that you don’t — and can’t — know. I denied you that knowledge, so you couldn’t do that aggressive assuming you do. Yes: you do. One small example: “Most whites are racists.” <– Your quote. You take SERIOUS liberties with assumptions.

        2. Maybe people like me will stop being racist when people like you stop trying to be white.

        Nope. People like you will stop being racist when you grow up. 🙂

        3. First off, I’ve ever blamed white people for my state of mind. Second, why on Earth would you think there’s no external influence to that mindset?

        Yep. You repeatedly blamed white racism for your own racism. Oh, by the way — by your own logic — if you are not responsible for your own racism, then white people can't be held responsible for THEIR racism, and the REST of your arguments — your bitterness, your suffering, your grievances — just got winked out of existence. You ARE responsible for your own racism. You, and ONLY you. Stop it.

        Of COURSE there are external influences to EVERYONE's mindset, but that's the point. They're INFLUENCES only. YOU are STILL the ONLY determiner of your state of mind, and of the extent to which those influences weigh on your resulting state of mind.

        4. That’s just stupid. That’s a part of Life 101 and Reality 101. Learn it.

        Whatever…weak parting shot.

        Best,

        — x

      17. I blamed white racism. NOT WHITE PEOPLE. Yet, you seem butthurt to whine about it and how I’ve attacked your character, or lack thereof. I blame white people who subscribe, support or produce white racism. In this case I blame Paula Deen. Deal with it. If you can’t, maybe you need to quit and go back to your own blog or should I be forced to keep you from mine as you seem hellbent to want to continue this pointless rambling?

      18. Ah! I see the distinction…now you’re trying to tell me that white people aren’t responsible for the white racism you perceive? Are they just victims of whatever racist society oppressed THEM long, long ago?

        Somehow, I suspect that’s not REALLY what you’re trying to tell me.

        BW, you’ve never yet hurt my feelings, injured my ego…occasionally you’ve mildly irritated me, but that’s only because you forced me to say things several times because, apparently, you just weren’t paying attention.

        As regards “keeping this going,” I’m simply replying to your replies…it’s called a conversation.

        I suspect you WILL do the typical thing that the left always does, and ban me from the blog. As I said before, I have other ways in, and will be watching. Until then, I wish you all the best,

        — x

      19. I’m telling you MY VIEW based on information I’ve gathered from people you would dismiss as leftist dimwits. I’ve said in one recent post that racism hurts white people as well as it hurts POC. Find it and read it, if you want.

        I don’t care if you are irritated or not, and no body forced you to come here in the first place. I wrote a blog post about a current event that I think it’s imperative. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE THE FIRST MOVE COMMENTING HERE, AND I RESPONDED. THEN YOUR RESPONSES CAME WITH NAME CALLING, VICTIM BLAMING AND WHINING.

        Let’s make one thing clear. I’m not good at debates or arguments. Knowing you, you are delighted to hear that and will use that to your advantage like the punk you are. I DO know that I maintain what I feel about this subject and about white racism. If that’s painful to you, you can go fuck yourself. I will not change my opinions and views just to please your sheltered ass. And I will no longer please you with this pointless argument about nothing.

      20. Lol! You’re kidding, right? Are you trying to pass that off as anything other than a third-grade tantrum?

        You are the KING of avoiding responsibility. YOU started it — obviously — with a DUMB post. You got all upset when you POSTED IT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, and someone challenged you on it.

        What YOU don’t like is that I just might be another black man offering you a DIFFERENT and challenging perspective.

        Grow up, BW. You should rename yourself Cryin Wolf.

        Best,

        — x

      21. I take responsibility for this and the hundreds of posts I’ve placed on this blog. I’ve never denied a single post. I posted it for the world to see. And I know not everyone will agree with me. But the problem with you and me is not that you disagree. It is the fact that you are trying to change my whole mindset using the same old advice and testimonies that have less substance than a grain of sand. Everything you told is nothing new. Do you get it. It means that I am familiar with these statements and tactics. I wasn’t born yesterday, nor am I as stupid as you think. Your conservative responses are empty, annoying at best and wrong at worst.

        And if anyone is crying here is you. You can say that it’s me all you want. To me that is just a case of projection.

      22. One quick thing. I see that you DIDN’T accuse me of being white, so I have to retract THAT part of my previous post. I apologize, my mistake.

        However, you DID make a serious error in this post: You say that some white people don’t take responsibility for the past. Well, why on EARTH should they?!? They WEREN’T THERE! Not only were they not there, they didn’t even freakin’ exist!

        Sorry…they HAD no part of past oppression; they took no part in past oppression, they didn’t freakin’ exist…now, it’s starting to sound like a money thing to me.

        Yuh see: if white people of today are responsible for injustices committed 150 years ago, how can THAT wrong be righted, hmmmm…? Oh, yeah! I remember: reparations! Which, I assume, is where you’re going next.

        Look…a number of years ago, I got divorced. I gave the house to my ex-wife, though I continued to hold the note. That meant that if the mortgage went bad, the bank would come after me, NOT my ex-wife, the actual owner of the house. Well, the mortgage went bad. My ex didn’t pay a dime. The bank came after me and eventually, when the dust had settled, I had a foreclosure on my record, even though I’d never missed a mortgage payment of my own in my life.

        Some years later, the housing crisis rolls around and someone somewhere decided that the bank had done me wrong. Care to guess what I got for that blot on my credit, for the years of being unable to get a loan, for the years of financial hardship that imposed on me? I got about $1,400. Ya know what? I was probably lucky to get that! I didn’t particularly think the bank had done me all that wrong. My ex, yes, but not the bank.

        Anyway, what’s the point — with transfer payments and welfare and Affirmative Action, and WIC and SNAP and food stamps and this and that and the other thing, more than three trillion dollars have been transferred from those who had some to those who had less…generally to minorities.

        Add in the discrimination I described above — the actual race-based discrimination built into our laws, and you have quite a racket going there that WAAAAAYYY more than covers any past injustices to people who no longer exist.

        A very wise black man once said something to me that rocked me back on my heels. He said, and I quote: “The best thing that ever happened to black people today was when their ancestors were sold into slavery in America.” He himself was a slave’s descendant. He elaborated further when asked. “Bitter about slavery? Hell no! Best thing that ever happened to me…not for my great-great-great-great-great granddaddy, but it sure was a good thing for me!” and he laughed. I was so surprised that I wrote it down as soon as I got home.

        Whether YOU like it or not, BW, that’s a valid perspective, and you ought to consider it.

        Again: your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, pains, joys, loves, dislikes, opinions, character flaws and virtues are ALL YOURS, and yours alone. Trying to pretend that the victim of the racist must be racist is like saying that the victim of rape has to go out and rape, or that the victim of a robbery has to go commit more robberies. No, you simply CHOOSE NOT to do the bad thing. Simple as that.

        Besides, overwhelmingly blacks haven’t been the victims of white racism for a very long time.

        Best,

        — x

      23. I know the white people of today weren’t there. No one today was alive back then. That’s not the point. The point is that the privileges and social advantages they have today, including wealth, came from that period and was pass down through history to this very day.

        Maybe the first thing they should do is ADMIT that that history existed and was inhumane and brutal, and they “profited” so much from that time period and the years that came later. Maybe they need to learn to see us as human beings and treat us as such. Maybe they need to shut up and listen to what we say and not dismiss everything that comes out of our mouths as whining or hysteria. I dunno, maybe I’m asking white people to be human instead of being…well, like you.

        Again, you think that white people are now the oppressed. All the programs you’ve mentioned, mostly white people have benefited from. Welfare, Affirmative action, and whatever else largely has been in favor of poor whites.

        As for that quote you gave me, stop it. Just stop it. That is the most asinine, insane thing I have every heard. I do not consider slavery as anything more than an punished crime of holocaust proportions. It’s not a valid perspective because it’s severely warped. If you think I should be like this fool, think again. That is a weak ass attempt to get me to see things your way.

        I am not pretending anything. I am telling it like it is. Your reasoning is flawed. I never said I had to be racist. I said my racism is a direct reflection of the racism directed at me, and that racism didn’t come from blacks.

        Sure, keep telling yourself blacks aren’t victims of racism in a long time. Only someone sheltered from reality and morality would convince himself that.

      24. 1. I know the white people of today weren’t there. No one today was alive back then. That’s not the point.

        Yes, it is. It’s not their fault, not their responsibility, not their guilt. Nor do you get to have the pain of those who suffered long, long ago.

        2. The point is that the privileges and social advantages they have today, including wealth, came from that period and was pass down through history to this very day.

        To some extent…a little known fact is that slavery was not all that profitable for an awful lot of slave owners. Study up on it a bit…the history is a LOT more complex than the pinched view you seem to have of it. However, you seem to suggest that ALL American whites today should be made to pay for the sins of a few whites of the past. Why should the guiltless be made to pay for the guilt of others? The answer to that is easy: they shouldn’t be.

        Even if you COULD identify the descendants of the slave owners, would you take their possessions and give them to black people? How about the descendants of the more numerous abolitionists? Would they be exempt? Shouldn’t they? How about when you get it wrong? Do you then RE-dispossess the black people who got the white person’s possessions? You simply can’t undo and unravel all the sins of history. If you WERE to do that you WOULD have to go back to Africa and call the native Africans to account who profited from slavery.

        3. Maybe the first thing they should do is ADMIT that that history existed and was inhumane and brutal…

        That’s just about ALL that white people have been doing for AT LEAST the last 50 years! Why haven’t you been paying attention?

        4. and they “profited” so much from that time period and the years that came later.

        Again, many did, but many did not. The history of slavery, and of its ACTUAL economic value, is a WHOLE lot more complex than you seem to understand. Many not only did not profit from slavery, but, to the contrary, were ruined by it. Again, you need to read up on it a whole lot more.

        5. Maybe they need to learn to see us as human beings and treat us as such. Maybe they need to shut up and listen to what we say and not dismiss everything that comes out of our mouths as whining or hysteria.

        That’s the whole thing…you’re adding your voice to that of thousands of the other ticked-off. Believe me, white people have heard it. And heard it and heard it and heard it and heard it. As far as treating you like humans, what more do you want from them? The hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions, the trillions of dollars generated by the grievance industry aren’t enough? The REAL problem is that white people have done WAY too much shutting up and listening — listening to the likes of racists like you accusing them of being vile racists, oppressors, privileged, ignorant scum. These are, in the vast majority, people who’ve never done anything wrong to anyone under the sun…all hearing the accusation that they are evil scum. These are for the most part people who’ve had to struggle all their lives to get ahead, all the while being good, decent people, leading good, decent lives. On the fringe, there are some who are jerks and racists and morons…they’re on the fringe, and when they open their mouths, they get ostracized and marginalized…IMMEDIATELY.

        6. I dunno, maybe I’m asking white people to be human instead of being…well, like you.

        Ooooooo…because I refuse to treat you like a coddled baby? I just might be the first guy — white or otherwise — who’s treated you like an adult, and suggested that you begin to act like one.

        7. Again, you think that white people are now the oppressed.

        Nope…never said that. I DID say that I, and others, DID actively discriminate against white people. My one company alone denied white people hundreds of millions of dollars worth of loans. We were one of thousands of mortgage companies, all acting the same way. Yes, that’s oppression. Are white people oppressed in America? Overall, nope. Never said it, never meant it. Again, for what, the 10th time? I’LL tell YOU what I think.

        8. All the programs you’ve mentioned, mostly white people have benefited from. Welfare, Affirmative action, and whatever else largely has been in favor of poor whites.

        Nope. ALL those programs have disproportionately transferred wealth to minorities, and specifically, to black folks. Yes, welfare recipients are about 40% white, but the white population is significantly higher than that. Welfare recipients are about 37% black, more than twice their representation in the American population. Welfare recipients ARE, and have always been, majority minority.

        9. As for that quote you gave me, stop it. Just stop it. That is the most asinine, insane thing I have every heard.

        Why? Do you now deny others THEIR point of view? Who the heck are YOU?!? Strikes me as a very, clear-eyed, very realistic point of view.

        Look my grandfather just disappeared one day..probably met with foul play. That’s the closest my immediate family has come to serious oppression. However, if you trace my line back thousands of years, you’ll find, I’m sure, that many of my ancestors were oppressed, beaten down, enslaved, indentured, tormented, killed (after reproducing, of course), mistreated, maimed and mauled. I suspect you’ll find that just about everyone has about the same reason to be ticked off if you go all the way back. However, nowadays the grievance of long, long ago is worth a LOT of money! I guess I wouldn’t want to recognize that the ACTUAL grievance had gone away either. 🙂

        10. I do not consider slavery as anything more than an punished crime of holocaust proportions. It’s not a valid perspective because it’s severely warped. If you think I should be like this fool, think again. That is a weak ass attempt to get me to see things your way.

        I don’t care whether you think like me or not…but read this well, BW… I will NOT allow myself to be slandered and libeled and harangued by an ignorant, closed-minded, uninformed, tunnel-vision racist such as you. Without knowing thing ONE about me, you’ve accused me of being white, racist, evil, inhuman…etc…a LONG time before I started to get irritated by your bilious sludge. Guess what: I’m none of those things. I treat ALL people as people…they’re not POC (what a profoundly STUPID term!), or black, or white, or this or that…they’re people, and until they give me a reason to dislike or mistrust them, I offer them ALL nothing but respect and decency. Sorry, pal…I’m NOT a racist. Never have been. You ARE. Stop it.

        11. I am not pretending anything. I am telling it like it is.

        Nope. Just your opinion…and a particularly uninformed, flat-earth, silly, likely completely fallacious opinion. Your opinions are mired deep in the America of 50 years ago…as is the leadership of the grievance industry. They were deeply flawed then as well, just not as seriously dumb as they are now, 50 years later.

        12. Your reasoning is flawed. I never said I had to be racist. I said my racism is a direct reflection of the racism directed at me, and that racism didn’t come from blacks.

        Whatever. If your racism is from YOU, then it’s from A black man. YOU are STILL in charge of ALL your states of mind. No one else. Stop trying to pawn off the responsibility for your character flaws on someone else.

        13. Sure, keep telling yourself blacks aren’t victims of racism in a long time. Only someone sheltered from reality and morality would convince himself that.

        Some blacks are such victims, but now very few, and — as different from decades ago — there’s redress. Furthermore, there are vast, vast programs in place that have LONG discriminated in FAVOR of blacks for decades. Sure, some blacks are victims of racism, but millions and millions more have benefited handsomely from the perception of that racism, to the tune frequently of tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars PER person. I guess if I were such a recipient of such generosity, I might ALSO not ever want it to end.

        Best,

        — x

      25. Maybe this proctologistx is related to this other jackass who used to frequent your site, I forget it’s name. Debating with protologist is like farting in a wind tunnel garnering the same results; a lot of noxious fumes! Tell proctologist to go fuck himself!

      26. By the way, you have yet to tell me what racism is. It doesn’t matter anyway. The fact is that Paula Deen is exposed for her racism. It is not an opinion. It’s a fact. Deal with it. One is not the same as the other, and you still can’t determine whether she is or not, you are either really stupid or in extreme denial.

        It’s so funny how whenever there’s a news report on white racism in any form, people like you come out and deny that race was involved. Some would go out of their way to defend them like the people who are doing so trying to get this woman back on air. People like you automatically shoot down any and all accusations of racism by POC, but will likely turn around and moan how white men are being discriminated against.

        Wake up, man. White people – white men are not being discriminated against. You guys are still in power. Affirmative action hasn’t changed that. Maybe it’s just you who was left behind in the overprivilege ticket booth. Have you ever thought of that before you blame POC?

      27. Such a silly reply!

        I PURPOSELY used EXACTLY the words that Bill Cosby used so many times and you accused me of being a “white man.”

        I happen to know that white men are actively discriminated against. Want to know why? I was personally ordered to do so at a mortgage company where I once worked. And you know what? I did. I’m ashamed of it now, but I did it.

        And you know what? That same mortgage company AGGRESSIVELY discriminated in favor of minority mortgage applicants in order to be sure not to have racialist morons suing them for imagined discrimination.

        I’ve been there…I KNOW what goes on behind the scenes in big companies, and it is ALL incredibly intricately calculated to maximize revenues…there IS discrimination based on race: ACTUAL programs to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that there were PLENTY of mortgage loans accepted for minority applicants. Actual programs to be sure that acceptance of white loan applicants never gets too high. These programs remain in place. They’ve been in place for decades.

        In fact, if there was a qualified non-minority and minority mortgage applicant competing for a property, our orders were to give the loan to the minority. Every time. The idea was, again, to maximize revenues and minimize problems.

        Money is green…No one cares what color the person is who is giving the money. No one.

        The CRA (Community Renewal Act) was a MASSIVE program to, essentially, give houses to minority applicants. If you could breathe and you were a mortgage applicant, you got your loan. Of course, that meant that meant that lots of those loans eventually failed. So, we were ordered to raise our rates to cover those failures. And THAT meant that non-minority applicants — the ones whose loans failed less frequently because of the above-stated reasons — paid higher rates…institutional discrimination against non-minority loan applicants built right into the system. That type of needless over-charging has transferred hundreds of billions of dollars away from non-minorities to minorities. That’s all still in place.

        ALL that is still in place. As well as Affirmative Action, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

        Discrimination against white folks? Yep. I did it. I was ordered to — by other white people and by black people. And I did it. I’ve worked in LOTS of big companies…I’ve seen the inner workings of all of them. They ALL discriminate actively in favor of minority employees, minority customers, minority applicants…Again, money is green. Whatever maximizes the money, is what business will do. And today, and for the past 50 years or so, it has paid to discriminate in this manner. Less trouble, and less trouble means more money.

        Again, stop trying to find out who I am and address the issues.

        Best,

        — x

    2. Actions speaks louder than words and what better thing to trust than the word of mouth of the individual. Why apologize for something she felt was not wrong?

      As far as if she is or is not a racist…..if she is using the n-word then I can take a guess that she may well be and for most blacks anyone that uses it is.

      1. True. If someone expects a group of people to dress a certain way to reflect those times – in this case like slaves, you can’t say racism wasn’t involved in that decision.

    3. @ xPraetorius

      First of all you have actually been making slams at brothawolf since you got here (funny how this went unnoticed), so any name calling and personal attacks at you were well warranted.

      Secondly I don’t think it is so much different points of views you want him to see so much as seeing your point of view (which is not anymore factual than his).

      Thirdly i don’t know what you think you know about affirmative action but it does not just benefit black people. It still amazes me with all the information in regards to this law (that not all blacks support) that whites still bring it up without any real knowledge of it and what it means. In fact the token Asian or Indian guy at work could have actual got the job through this, but it is only an uproar if the black guy gets it.

      Fourthly the failure in black America is not as large as many people believe. The media focuses on those blacks that are not model citizens and thus become more noticed as the average black. I know several blacks that grew up in what people call the ghetto. Many of them are either in school, business owners, or some other profession. Because most ignorant only see color they are not willing to get to know them past that.

      The problem I see with you and many posters like you is that you see only your experience as the model idea of how things are everywhere. If you meet bad blacks then this must be the majority.

      I would say more but I am not the type to educate people on things that can be easily found everywhere.

      1. Thanks for your back up, Sharina. But he largely wants to divert attention to the topic of this blog and point out the many faults of myself and black people.

      2. You obviously misread, Sharina…Re-read.

        I word things very carefully, to draw the lefties out, because they invariably launch the personal attacks very, very soon. After THEY open that door, I DO claim the right to riposte…after I’ve warned them, of course. It happens every time, and BW was no exception.

        So, yes, I DID start to hit back at BW, because he opened that door…all such hits after fair warning, of course, simply don’t count. If you re-read, you’ll see (1) that he bagan that, (2) that I warned him not to, (3) that I told him every step of the way what I was doing and why, and (4) that I defeated his empty arguments handily.

        ‘Course if you re-read, you’ll also convert…if you’re sufficiently open-minded.

        Best,

        — x

      3. This is your usual theme. “Black people are always wrong when it comes to racism, especially when it disagrees with that I think, and I’m always right and always innocent when it comes to this argument that I started and maintained.” You’re really showing your ass off here.

      4. Nope.

        You’re just mailin’ it in now, WB.

        Not all black people are wrong about race…just the racial grievance industry. Presumably you and Sharina are card-carrying members?

        If so, then, yes, she and you are wrong.

        Best,

        — x

      5. @ xPraetorius

        Too bad I am not a liberal ( so much for your not assuming things about people). And open-minded does not mean converting to your side of things. It means just becoming another closed-minded sheep on your side. Now here is your first response to Brothawolf:

        You and other wolf-crying paranoiacs need to take a DEEP breath! I’ll tell you a simple truth: There’s probably not a single person IN THE WORLD who could present ALL snippets of their lives to everyone and pass all tests. Yourself included.

        Based on your IMMEDIATE conviction of her, YOU’re probably (<– key word — I don;t know you either, but your post was perfectly moronic.) a greater, easier, more comfortable, more automatic racist than Deen.

        Take a deep breath, grow up, lighten up, admit it when you don't know something.

        Again, you know not NEARLY enough about her to say whether or not she's a racist…neither do I. Her immediate conviction by that least reliable of all sources — the media — is what's sad. END QUOTE.

        While you may play coy, your initial response was filled with small attacks at him. Yes you are good at disguising your attacks, but they are still there, but perhaps you are confused on the comment I was referring to.

      6. @xPraetorius

        You know what is funny. You were quick to bash brothawolf for assuming something about you, but have quickly assumed things about me. Funny. Do as I say not as I do type. LOL

    4. @xPraetorius

      Let me tell you something since you seem to believe that you can win debates by “presuming” what people think and believe. I don’t believe every situation in the world is racist. I don’t believe that every white person is racist.

      1. A majority of my friends are white people and they have never said or done anything as ignorant as Paula Deen. Is it possible they do it behind closed doors? probably but people can only put on a facade for so long before it comes out. Thus the reason Paula got caught. Could it be a publicity stunt to make her relevant again? could be, but bad choice.

      2. I have stated several times now that I had my biggest issues with black people in the past, so I am not blind to the acts of some black people. Regardless I will not push myself to be blind to the acts of white people either.

      3. I am not conservative or democrat. Both parties are too flawed for my taste.

      4. I am not a sheep to anybodies one idea. If I were to agree with you I would still be a sheep just a more acceptable one in your eyes. You just want someone to agree with you. I just don’t agree with you.

      5. I think Paula Deen’s actions came from a racist place. I find it wrong for anyone to say the n-word regardless of who says it and I take those that say it as racist and just ignorant. They can excuse the reason why but my feelings are the same.

      6. I think their are several things that the black community can work on and I as well as other blacks have been pushing and working on just that. If they have not in your area then not my problem maybe you can suggest something instead of criticizing or painting your meager experience as the all black experience.

      Anything else you would like to know or would you like to continue to fluff your arguments with assumptions about what I think and believe?

      1. I guess this proves my other point…you just want to live in a race-obsessed echo chamber, where everyone agrees with you and no one challenges you. You’re terrified to confront points of view other than your own, so you refuse to…and go immediately to the shrieks of “Racism! Racism!”

        If you understood whom you are accusing or being a racist jerk NOW, you’d fall off your chair in astonishment.

        Pretty sad…

        — x

      2. You know what’s sad? What’s sad is privileged people making assumptions about those on the outside. You assume that people like me cry racism as if we’re spoiled infants. You are not interested in hearing the POV of those who disagree with you without having them ask for “proof”. It is an illogical request for an illogical idealism and to be honest, I doubt any form of “proof” is enough to satisfy you.

        When Paula Deen spoke about how she wanted a wedding at a restaurant to reflect the times of the 19th Century South which include middle aged black men dressing up in white suits and bow ties, she said they would be slaves.

        There’s your “proof”. You can check it out here. http://www.salon.com/2013/06/19/paula_deen_i_want_black_people_to_play_slaves_at_a_wedding/ unless you want to discount it as a liberal site and therefore isn’t worth your time.

      3. #1: Proof of nothing. #2: It’s in Salon.com. Oops! SERIOUS credibility problems! #3: I saw this story a long time ago (relatively speaking, of course)…still proof of nothing, except being insufficiently informed as to what’s considered boorish behavior and what’s not. That, however, being the constantly shifting and morphing landscape that it is, who can blame her?

        I see PD is currently embarked on her groveling apology tour hoping to save some shreds of her imploding finances, while completely shredding her dignity. But, that’s what the race grievance industry demands.

        And a richly profitable industry it is! For those who make hay at everyone else’s expense — especially dupes like you who fill their ranks and write ignorant, cretinous screeds like the one that started this whole back-and-forth. 🙂 (Just venting a bit of spleen…after all, it’s the first time I’ve ACTUALLY come back at you despite your NUMEROUS personal attacks against me! Surely, you’ll agree, I’m entitled!)

        You know, BW, I once attended a party exactly like the one PD envisioned, except in reverse…the white people (and not so dark people…that’s how the attendee balance worked out) had to act as “slaves” to the black people. It was loads of fun, and a raucous good time was had by all. The “slaves” were enthusiastic participants, and they were hilarious as they competed with each other in obsequiousness.

        Personally, I enjoyed being waited on hand and foot, and everyone — EVERYONE — without exception was a good sport about it. Why? No one in attendance was an overly sensitive, whining pantywaist.

        I also once attended a gigantic Renaissance-themed gala party at the home of a VERY prominent current racialist whiner (a REALLY big Democrat Party muckety-muck — if you knew who it was, you’d fall off your chair — again!). The waitresses were all “serving wenches” and the waiters were all “knaves.”

        We’d call, “Wench! Bring me some grog and be quick about it!” With a curtsy and a “Yes, m’Lord,” or “Yes, m’Lady,” she’d scamper off and bring us back beers. The “serving wenches” and we ALL were laughing uproariously throughout the evening. Again, because there were no sniveling, whining, over-sensitive pantywaists there.

        I can tell you that NONE of the attendees at these two parties — all still good friends despite many, many political differences — is or ever was a racist…and none of the attendees is or ever was in my recollection, a rude jerk with misogynistic tendencies.

        It was ALL play acting and role playing and HARMLESS fun. Again, because none in attendance were whining, hyper-easily offended pantywaists.

        You should try it sometime. You MIGHT have some fun…it’s a SURE thing you’d meet more people, and you’d even like ’em!

        Again, good luck pulling your head out of your backside…seems pretty well wedged in there. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      4. I’ll respond as short and sweet as possible.

        Why is this case with PD offensive? Because black people WERE SLAVES and when it comes to the criminal justice system, slavery is still alive and is designed to send poor blacks to prison to live and work like slaves. The scars from that time and other forms of oppression that came after are still present today as racism is alive and well in this day and age. Having black people dress up and portray themselves as slaves open up old wounds. It reminds us that Americans, mostly whites, still see us as less than human and prefer to have us as slaves.

        Now, tell me that I’m wrong and whiny as I know you will.

      5. Now you’re just deflecting. You opened a different can of worms — the criminal justice system — and there’s just not time to debate THAT today.

        Also, the criminal justice system is just not an area in which I have huge expertise. Sorry.

        Something you should ALSO try: admitting when you don’t know something. Very graceful and prevents you from swimming in water that’s too deep.

        Having black people dress up as slaves opens up old wounds ONLY on people who want those wounds opened up.

        The real slaves were OTHER people, many, many decades ago! The injustices were done to OTHER people…you CAN’T have THEIR pain. It’s not yours, it’s theirs.

        Besides It’s just not like that anymore! Hasn’t been that way for more decades than anyone on earth has been alive. Sorry, as much as you want to be seen as the noble sufferer, you can’t have THAT suffering. It simply doesn’t belong to you. Stop trying to steal it.

        You diminish their memory by trying to obtain cheap nobility through stealing others’ suffering.

        And guess what: White people can’t have their ancestor’s guilt either. Sure, they try to show how noble they are by struggling desperately to expunge it, but they can’t have it. It doesn’t belong to them.

        I think you knew I was going to call you whiny, because it WAS whiny, for crying out loud. write a whiny post, expect to hear it called whiny! 🙂

        Again, you need to occupy yourself with being the very best YOU can…because, again, if you get an education, work hard, speak well and get along with others, you WILL succeed.

        You simply WOULDN’T have that CHANCE in a racist country. You wouldn’t have a chance to become the freakin’ President of the United States, as another black dude did.

        Sorry, it just ain’t a racist country. Not even close. Hasn’t been for a long time.

        Best,

        — x

      6. You’re right, it shouldn’t be debated today or any day because there is NOTHING TO DEBATE ABOUT. I’m sure you profess to know more about the system more than I do. That doesn’t mean you’re correct or know everything about it.

        Black people don’t want to open up old wounds. It happens without thought because, again, black people bear the scars of that horrific time. So yes, it offends us, but we don’t want to be offended. So, the logical course of action is to DON’T TRY. All you’re doing, once again, is blame the victim.

        Who are you to tell me who the “real” slaves were? In fact what the hell is a real slave anyway, and why should they matter more than African slaves?

        No one is trying to steal anyone’s suffering. The problem is that you DON’T see the suffering or accept that blacks ARE suffering.

        Also, no one is making white people feel guilty, but if they support or are comfortable with their unearned privileges, then they need to feel ashamed.

        I called you on the whiny bit because like I said, I heard it before. Still, it doesn’t make it any less important, especially to me and others with the same conclusion. Just because you consider it whiny doesn’t make it any less significant to me. Like I said, you lack empathy.

        Don’t assume that I don’t have an education. Don’t assume that I am lazy or don’t “speak well”. You talked about how I was attacking your character, don’t pull that trick with me.

        And if you don’t think this is a racist country, you are beyond enlightenment.

      7. BW: give me something more than “black people are suffering,” because nowadays, they’re largely suffering at the hands of other black people.

        I’ll grant you they suffered at the hands of white people — Democrats, by the way — decades ago, but that stopped long, long ago.

        Nowadays, blacks kill blacks. Blacks kill whites. Crime is RAMPANT among blacks. You can talk all you want about poverty, but you JUST admitted yourself that as a minority, if you get an education, speak well, work hard and get along well with others, you absolutely can succeed in America. You said it yourself.

        Ok.

        Where’s the freakin’ problem?!?

        Seriously…what more do you want this country to provide?!?

        Be specific please…and don’t give me any of that garbage about people hurting your feelings. YOU are in charge of your feelings! No one else. No one can hurt them BUT you.

        Best,

        — x

      8. It’s not up to you to tell me or black people in general what they’re suffering from. You have no authority on black people. So, stop making an arrogant ass out of yourself.

        Here we go, blame the Democrats. Here’s a thought: I blame REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS! Red or blue, they are all the same.

        I knew you were going to go there with the crime bit. Now you’ve gone way off topic with your ramblings and your white paternalism. Save that BS for your blog when you’ll tear me apart on that special page you’ve made.

        Right now, my freakin’ problem is you. You are so full of it. You are not here to converse or argue but dispute and insult using the same scripted shit I’ve heard way too many times. It’s the usual white conservative blather we’ve heard since Reagan.

        Speaking for myself, as an individual and not as some “black leader” as I suspect sooner or later you’d bring up the names Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson into this mess, this country will never admit to the crimes of the past or present. It will never see POC as people. And frankly, even if I were to tell you, you would brush them off like the colossal, predictable bully you really are.

        Face it, you’ve turn this topic about Paula Dean and her racism into a petty argument about you, what you think and what you think I should think. At the end of the day, I don’t give a fuck about your conservatism. I’ve made that clear. I’ve heard it all before. You’re just repeating the same tired crap. If that makes me unfair, cry me a river.

        This is more about YOUR feelings and how they’re coming apart every time you read my responses. I can see it in your text. You can’t take the fact that a black man is telling you to fuck off. Your view point is one I do not subscribe to, and I don’t want to either. Cry about it if you wish. Your conservatism is nothing more than the mindset of someone who misses the good ole’ days where people like me knew my place while people like you can do no wrong.

        Now, unless you have something to say about the Paula Deen scandal, do not respond with more of your ‘whiteness’. If you are that stubborn, I will ban your ass from this blog.

      9. 1. It’s not up to you to tell me or black people in general what they’re suffering from. You have no authority on black people. So, stop making an arrogant ass out of yourself.

        Whatever. I never said I wasn’t arrogant. You seem to need someone as arrogant as, or more arrogant than, you to slap you out of your SERIOUS arrogance. However, if you’re not going to say what you’re suffering from then don’t expect other people to take your suffering seriously. Just wailing that you’re suffering gets old after a while.

        2. Here we go, blame the Democrats.

        Yep. The Democrats are the founders of the KKK and of Jim Crow; they were the ones who killed the original Civil Rights Act under Eisenhower, and they provided the most vociferous opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964…then black people went ahead and gave DEMOCRAT racists the VAST majority of their votes! Want a reference? Try this: http://praetori.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/open-letter-to-black-americans/. Go to the “Civil Rights Act” section. Black people have a SERIOUS Democrat Party problem.

        3. Here’s a thought: I blame REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS! Red or blue, they are all the same.

        Nope. Can’t blame Republicans for anything having to do with race or with the status of black people. Sorry…you just can’t.

        4. I knew you were going to go there with the crime bit. Now you’ve gone way off topic with your ramblings and your white paternalism. Save that BS for your blog when you’ll tear me apart on that special page you’ve made.

        Ok. How about here on this page as well? Look: you’ve stayed in here, duking it out with me…we HAVE enlarged the scope of this back-and-forth. On-topic or off-topic is no longer really relevant. Lighten up.

        5. Right now, my freakin’ problem is you. You are so full of it. You are not here to converse or argue but dispute and insult using the same scripted shit I’ve heard way too many times. It’s the usual white conservative blather we’ve heard since Reagan.

        Ooooh…THAT’s dispositive! A whole paragraph of just sayin’ things. Just as valid to say the exact opposite, so I’ll try it too: YOU are so full of it! YOU are not here to converse or argue but dispute and insult using the same scripted s**t I’ve heard way too many times. It’s the usual black racist blather we’ve heard since the ’60’s.

        Just sayin’ … as were you.

        6. Speaking for myself, as an individual and not as some “black leader” as I suspect sooner or later you’d bring up the names Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson into this mess, this country will never admit to the crimes of the past or present. It will never see POC as people. And frankly, even if I were to tell you, you would brush them off like the colossal, predictable bully you really are.

        Again…just sayin’ things. Why? Because YOU say so? I don’t THINK so! As a racist, you’re HARDLY a credible source for ANY of this. I never mentioned Sharpton or Jackson…you just did. If you’re talking about the grievance industry, yes, they are two particularly egregious racists.

        BW, this country has done nearly nothing BUT admit to the crimes of the past. Including making UP crimes (against gays currently). This country needs at some point to STOP admitting to crimes. 🙂

        I think it’s particularly rich that YOU would call ME a bully. You start this whole thing by telling me how I think, what I want, how I feel, what I know, how bad and evil and “whitewashed” I am, and a whole host of other sillinesses, and you’re all surprised when I disagree, and reply back vigorously? What should I have done, BW? Should I have just said, “You’re right, bW, I’m a racist jerk.” Guess what: I’m not. And I never HAVE been. You’re the definition of a bully. I came at your IDEAS, and you replied with personal attacks. That is the classic tactic of the playground bully. However, since you opened that door — since you essentially did the debating equivalent of a Pearl Harbor (you know: sneak attack, cheap shot) — I claim the right to do the debating equivalent of a Hiroshima right back to you.

        7. Face it, you’ve turn this topic about Paula Dean (sic.) and her racism into a petty argument about you, what you think and what you think I should think. At the end of the day, I don’t give a f**k about your conservatism.

        So? I don’t care about your silly, ignorant point of view. We’re even in that regard.

        8. I’ve made that clear. I’ve heard it all before. You’re just repeating the same tired crap. If that makes me unfair, cry me a river.

        Gettin’ REALLY defensive, BW. Oh, and watch your language, ok? Use more mature language. Now, you’re just saying things again…should I send you my laminated card? 🙂

        9. This is more about YOUR feelings and how they’re coming apart every time you read my responses.

        Uh…yeah, MY feelings are coming apart. Yeah. Ok. 🙂

        10. I can see it in your text. You can’t take the fact that a black man is telling you to f**k off.

        Very mature, BW…starting to get under your skin, eh?

        11. Your view point is one I do not subscribe to, and I don’t want to either.

        Uhhhh…ok.

        12. Cry about it if you wish. Your conservatism is nothing more than the mindset of someone who misses the good ole’ days where people like me knew my place while people like you can do no wrong.

        Again, I will NOT allow you to tell me what I think or what I feel or what I want. You’re wrong…it’s profoundly arrogant, presumptuous and just plain stupid to do so. Once again: I’LL tell YOU about what I feel and what I want. Got it, BW? Man! Is that just CEMENT between your ears? How many times do you have to hear something?!? No WONDER you’re not persuadable. You are as locked in as the most closed-minded racist I’ve ever met.

        13. Now, unless you have something to say about the Paula Deen scandal, do not respond with more of your ‘whiteness’. If you are that stubborn, I will ban your ass from this blog.

        That would be typical. You can’t hold your own in the argument without the personal attacks, so the next thing is to take your ball and go home. That’s THE signature last move of the left.

        Best,

        — x

      10. I can hold my own. You can’t because you can’t stay on topic without it being about an attack against you and your lily white fragile ego. I could have this back-and-forth with you, but what’s the point? I already explained my reasons for this post. I will not repeat myself as I’m sure you’re more than capable of re-reading them yourself.

        I’ll tell you again, if you don’t have anything to bring that is remotely related to this topic, you need to go.

      11. To your discredit: You call names to quickly; you relentlessly fail to address the issues until forced to; you appear never to be able to admit when you’re wrong; you fail to admit when you’ve been beaten; you accuse of racism too quickly, and, seemingly automatically; you pretend to know the state of mind of others; you’re not a particularly nice person; you are a racist; you have some indefensible ideas, ie: “my racism isn’t my fault.” You commit the inexcusable: the banishment threat. You’ll notice that I NEVER exceeded your tone in negativity or peevishness. I never used bad language and I never attacked you personally…just your ideas. If you banish me, you proclaim as loudly as can be proclaimed that your ideas just don’t stand up to a challenge. You seem very closed-minded. You just say pointless and meaningless things…for example: “We’re suffering! (but I’m not going to tell you how)”

        To your credit: You DO occasionally grant when others score points. You’re tenacious. You’re not OVERLY a jerk when you get peeved.

        Since you DID hang in there, despite being pummeled, I hold out hope for you…I suspect you will do the typical leftish thing and ban me from your blog, but I have other ways in, and I’ll be watching.

        Good luck to you!

        — x

      12. I never denied that racism isn’t my fault. You on the other hand is a coward when it comes to accountability. And if banning you is a “leftist” thing, so be it. Sometimes you have to know when to abandon and sinking ship. You may think you’ve won the argument and you feel warm and fuzzy inside, but that doesn’t make you right or morally superior. It changes nothing as to what’s going on with this issue. All this argument has done is shown people that you are a troll here to derail and destroy a topic that certain people may find important. And just because it isn’t to you, you feel you have to bulldoze with your whining.

      13. BW: I’m not a racist…I AM morally superior. 🙂

        I’m a coward? How the heck so? Have I done something cowardly here? Don’t make it up now…

        You know why I won the argument? Easy, because I wasn’t TRYING to win the argument, as you obviously were. I wanted — and got — an exchange. In all your pile of bluff and bluster, there WERE moments where you weren’t pathetic. Those were good moments.

        Way, way, way back to the beginning, I told you why I ACTUALLY came here, and it was as part of my constant search for input that differs from and challenges my point of view. You occasionally offered up some interesting things…but you ALWAYS clammed up when I asked you for elaboration. For example, I asked you to tell me about your suffering…you got all huffy and told me to buzz off. Ok, for that topic at least, I buzzed off.

        ALL the times I challenged you to be substantive you declined. Oh, well..can’t say I didn’t try!

        Best,

        — x

      14. You’re about as non-racist as Pat Buchanan and as morally superior as a rat with rabies.

        Yes. You are a coward. You hate to take any hint of responsibility for anything including your name calling which is something I expect from little kids. You are afraid of hearing from the POV of POC apparently. You are afraid of POC, especially those with opinions that differ from yours. And you are afraid of change.

        You are not here for input or a challenge. Quit lying to me and yourself. You know it, and I know it. You are hear to troll about on a topic you hate because it talks about white racism. (Yes, I am telling you what you are doing here and what you’re thinking. It ain’t hard to tell to read people with less depth than a puddle.)

        I don’t need to tell you my suffering. Why should I. You said you don’t care. So, why waste our time?

      15. Here’s an interesting confluence of events:

        News Flash: The Supreme Court has ruled (today, just a few minutes ago!) portions of the Voting Rights Act unconstitutional. Here’s an excerpt from the ruling:

        “Congress did not use the record it compiled to shape a coverage formula grounded in current conditions,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the court’s opinion.

        “It instead re-enacted a formula based on 40-year-old facts having no logical relationship to the present day.”

        Hmmm…who’s been saying things like “40-year old facts having no logical relationship to the present day?”

        Yep…me…about you points of view. Throughout this mini-debate we’ve been having.

        Time to wake up, BW, and join the 21st Century…you already missed the last half of the 20th century…time for you to catch up.

        Here’s the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23051808

        Best,

        — x

      16. PD should have got me to cater the party. I would have made sure that no POC got offended by acting their historical part. Instead I would have got a lot of middle aged white men and put them in black face. Would that have been a better option? Maybe we could have had a complete role reversal and made the white guys act like slaves while the black guys called them niggers. Although that word appears to be the way you guys describe each other these days with no offense at all. Maybe you could be honest with us all ,toss political correctness out the window and call us a bunch of white cunts as I was called two days ago by a POC. Was it you?.

      17. @whiteTosser

        Contrary to music videos and media….blacks don’t call themselves the n-word like that. sorry you are so ignorant.

    1. Right…so you hate “niggers” right, and to show how much you hate “niggers”….you…visit and comment on a “nigger” blog…OK my Hillbilly sweetheart…very logical…make a lot of sense right?

      1. Surely you can tell, can’t you, that “hillybilly” is a black person trying to throw a stink bomb to “prove” all the white racism out there? Seems pretty transparent.

        best,

        — x

      2. You mean, you REALLY believe he’s some moronic, racist white dude?!?

        Little too pat, don’t you think? Just a bit TOO convenient.

        Best,

        — x

      1. Sorry…it was a copy-paste error. My mistake. I DID have an argument — several, actually — with a serious dimwit lefty, and copied the headline. I forgot to remove the word “dimwit” before publishing. I’ve since corrected it.

        My apologies for the mistake.

        Best,

        — x

  3. It looks like xPraetorius is here with the same ole white wash mumbo jumbo. It amazes me that these people are defending racism yet are not too bright to realize they are doing just that. Same ole’ I am right without any real argument yet always claim they are looking for challenges. Nope just looking for someone to argue with and agree with them.

    1. But some topics are not up for arguing. It is what it is sometimes. My post is about how white people like Paula Deen idolize the ways of overt white supremacy with such innocence and joy that they conveniently ignore or deny the unpleasant shadows that lurk in those times like slavery, the black codes, etc.

      1. And I think our little debate pretty much demonstrated that state of mind is insignificant in America.

        BW: you DO know what else you did, don’t you? You keep telling me what “white people think,” or what “people like Paula Deen think.” I guess, the, I can tell you what “black people think,” can’t I?

        If I were a white person, and I dared to make ANY silly generalization, such as the one you just made above, IMMEDIATELY out would come the HOWLS of “Racism! Racism!” I’ll use your logic on you: you couldn’t POSSIBLY have the slightest idea what white people think. You’re NOT one. Since you’re not one, you have to take ALL your assumptions and notions and toss them ALL out, because you couldn’t POSSIBLY get to the correct understanding.

        You keep saying things that are simply impossible and just expect that people will not call you on them.

        If you re-read what you wrote, you can see that you painted yourself into the most limited, tiny pinched corner, and you simply can’t get out.

        Quick hint: to see whether a notion of yours is valid: reverse it and see if it’s still valid. Ex.: I, BW, am telling you how white people think and feel. Now to test whether that’s a valid thought, I’ll see whether I can support the notion: “Paula Deen is telling me how black people think and feel.” If that seems ridiculous to you, then you should realize immediately how ridiculous YOUR idea is that you can tell anyone how other people think and feel.

        I tried over and over and over and over again in our debate to get that simple and obvious truth into your head, but you just weren’t listening.

        Best,

        — x

      2. Go ahead and tell me what black people think. Say it loud and clear.

        This little debate we’re having is not about an exchange of ideas. It is about a grown man trolling in a topic he thinks is insignificant getting his joys on trying to win an argument that he himself started. In fact this isn’t even a civil argument to say the least. You hardly said anything about Paula Deen or my theory about how MANY (Read that. I said most, not all.) whites miss and wonder over the old days despite their violent histories against POC. All you’ve done was bitch and moan about the topics of arguing and my insults to you. This is beyond childish and is the behavior of spoiled people who wants everything their way. You are clearly not emotionally or mentally stable to talk to, and anyone with common sense would draw that same conclusion.

      3. Now, you’re just mailing it in, BW…I’ve said all I need to say about Paula Deen.

        It isn’t a civil argument because of your fits of pique and your inability to treat differing ideas seriously.

        Best,

        — x

      4. Oh please. 20% of your responses are about Paula Deen. The rest is just your meek attempt for me to agree with you. I will not nor will I ever give in to you. So, you may as well exit.

      5. Your quote: ” I will not nor will I ever give in to you.”

        How sad for you…you find a differing point of view and REFUSE to allow it to influence you or change you in any way? How immature. How intellectually limiting. How sadly stultifying.

        Did you ever hear of Thèse — Antithèse — Synthèse? I believe it’s nearly the same in English (Thesis — Antithesis — Synthesys) but I’ve seen it translated differently. The point: You take an intellectual position (Thesis) and it’s opposing intellectual position (Antithesis) — you take the good parts of both positions to produce a stronger intellectual conclusion — the Synthesis.

        You ought to try that…it’s helpful. Allows you to grow.

        You should NEVER, ever, not ever, not in a million years say anything REMOTELY resembling: ” I will not nor will I ever give in to you.”

        Serious question, BW: how old are you? I’ll show my cards first, if that makes it easier. I’m 56…I’ve been around the block a few times.

        Best,

        — x

      6. How sad for you…you find a differing point of view and REFUSE to allow it to influence you or change you in any way? How immature. How intellectually limiting. How sadly stultifying.

        This is what I was talking about. This is what Sharina was talking about. You didn’t come here for input, but to get me on your side. I refuse. Your way of thinking will not benefit me in the long run. So, you may as well give up and go back to your blog right now.

      7. 1. Go ahead and tell me what black people think. Say it loud and clear.

        My comment: Nope. That would be presumptuous and stupid, and I’m neither. I’ll just tell you about you. You know what? You LOVE your “suffering!” It’s plain from your writing that you have defined yourself as “the great victim.” Without your victimization, you’d be bereft, so you cling to it like the security blanket that it’s become. It’s always been faithful to you because so few people ever challenge it, least of all you yourself. Furthermore, whites are afraid of hurting your feelings and blacks mostly agree with you. You surround yourself with those echo camber, blacks, you avoid the whites unless you absolutely have to deal with them, and you continue in your little closed system of a set of beliefs. Your sense of victimization is like a ratty, old, moth-eaten sweater…and you clutch it to yourself desperately, lashing out furiously at anyone who might suggest that you get a new one, more in line with the times. At the first hint of challenge to your ideas, you run to your little victims club echo chamber because, presumably, they’re all victims too. Victims of the Great White Machine. Doesn’t matter that the Machine is old and broken-down, and hasn’t worked in any meaningful way for 50 years, to you it’s still a menacing, growling, snarling, frothing beast, barely chained only by social mores and the phony good will of its white masters. Your vision is pinched, crabbed, stunted, stifling, stultifying, but it’s YOU…it’s what defines you and you WILL not change! Not for ANYONE or ANYTHING…especially not for the new reality that’s been in place for decades now. As the great Buss Lightyear once said, “You are a sad, strange, little man, and you have my sympathy.”

        2. This little debate we’re having is not about an exchange of ideas. It is about a grown man trolling in a topic he thinks is insignificant getting his joys on trying to win an argument that he himself started.

        Nope. You put out a post you thought uncontroversial. You were wrong. I gave you additional perspectives. Now you’re just mailing it in, hoping that by saying mean things to me I’ll go away.

        3. In fact this isn’t even a civil argument to say the least.

        My comment: Look, BW, you’re going all red-faced, foot-stamping, vein-popping, little kid petulant on me, and have decided the relative civility of tone throughout. I’ve shot back when you’ve called me names or presumed to tell me what I’m thinking or feeling, but if this is uncivil, it’s all you kid!

        4. You hardly said anything about Paula Deen or my theory about how MANY (Read that. I said most, not all.) whites miss and wonder over the old days despite their violent histories against POC.

        My comment: I said all I needed to say about Paula Deen long ago…we then exceeded the original scope of your silly post.

        5. All you’ve done was bitch and moan about the topics of arguing and my insults to you.

        My Comment: To some extent yes…I HAVE called you on your insults and pettiness.

        6. This is beyond childish and is the behavior of spoiled people who wants everything their way. You are clearly not emotionally or mentally stable to talk to, and anyone with common sense would draw that same conclusion.

        My Comment: It always gets there…the defensive lefty accuses the other of being crazy. I knew you’d get there. They all do. Congratulations, BW, I think you’ve now done ALL the things that a debater does when he’s long ago lost the argument nd he knows it, but isn’t mature enough to admit it. You SHOULD, however, take a look in the mirror. I’ve walked you relentlessly over to my positions throughout…getting you to agree grudgingly with me time and time again. Then you tell me that I’M crazy. Ooookay. Despite all your petulance and pettiness, BW, I like you (btw, I know EXACTLY how you will reply to this…IF, that is, you do reply to it.)

        Best,

        — x

      8. And you’ve successfully helped me in deviate this post into a childish, school boy argument. But now, I’m done with you and your arrogance, ignorance and outright need to control me as if I was a slave. You are gone. Goodbye.

      9. Wow! You ARE completely wedded to your perceived victimhood, aren’t you?!?

        You REALLY WANT to be a slave! Know how I know that? Easy. I went through that phase too. Then I grew up.

        Best,

        — x

      10. Look who’s talking. The one always crying that I’m attacking his character and that I don’t know. I don’t want to know you. As for that slavery comment, that is an asinine thing to say.

        Now, I told you that you can not post here any longer. Your job is done. You’ve made your points no matter how immature they are. Yet, you’re still sending in responses. You say that you’re in your 50’s is it? Right now, you’re acting like a spoiled child. Even the kids that I teach in after school don’t act this silly. You may think you’ve gotten to me, but I was unphased for the reason I told you a million times. I heard it all before.

        You can call me a coward all you want to since I’ve deleted your numerous responses into the spam folder, but it further proves you are a rotten little man crying for attention. All I’m reading from you is “Waaaaaah waaaaaaah waaaaaaaah! Listen to me! I’m right and you’re not because you’re black! You are wrong all the time! Shut up and listen to me!” You really are a pathetic fool.

        We are done talking. Now leave my den alone.

      11. Ever so easy to talk big, when you’re blocking me, isn’t it? You’re a coward, BW…

        This is, of course, the typical behavior of the leftist. Deny it all you want, you ARE a leftist. You have all the childish, foot-stamping, whiny characteristics, and you do all the same deflections, with, of course, the final coup de grace: the blocking, all while pretending to be under attack and victimized. You just LOVE your victimhood, don’t you? Exquisite, isn;t it? Gives you a reason to get up and go out there and take down all those nasty-wasty racists, doesn;t it? ‘Course, that’s pretty easy, since they rarely fight back, and they’re USUALLY paying you to do it!

        You and Sharina are, to some extent, correct…I have attacked and questioned your character…but only LONG after YOU did it first, and LONG after I told you to cut it out, and LONG after I told you that it was a two-way door you were opening.

        If you had been able to keep it civil, I’d have done so as well. However, since you opened that door, you lost the right to whine about it.

        I know, I know…this won’t appear on your blog. As I might have mentioned before, you’re a chicken. Go rejoin the rest of your echo chamber, secure in the knowledge that you were able to silence another one.

        Nice job, pantywaist jellyfish.

        Best,

        — x

      12. I could say the same thing about conservatives and how you’ve presented typical conservative behavior, not to mention you’ve portrayed yourself as a racist, whitewashed cyberbullying troll. And you’re wrong this WILL appear on this blog. Although, it may be the last thing you will ever say here.

      13. Whatever…you censored the last ones…they were really good, too! I really liked: “Your POC’s POV is a POS.” You HAVE to admit it’s clever. You, of course, censored it.

        You ARE a coward…you’re afraid to duke it out on the field of debate combat with an aging black woman… then you’ve censored her.

        Good thing we didn’t have wimps like YOU around in the ’60’s, or we’d NEVER have achieved what we did that allows you NOW to whine and moan like this.

        Nice going, little man.

        Best,

        — x

      14. Oh, and I know THAT one won’t make it to the blog either! You ARE the brave one, aren’t you? 🙂 You put a blog out there where the WHOLE world can find it, and you fold like a cheap suit at the first hint of disagreement with your reactionary bilge.

        Get some testosterone, man…you’re running low.

        Best,

        — x

      15. Well, well, well…my rejoinders DID make it to your blog post!

        I was wrong about you. I apologize…

        I thought you HAD blocked me and that was that.

        I take back all the snarky coward, pantywaist and chicken remarks.

        Hmmmmm…maybe I misjudged you. I still disagree with your points-of-view, but my assessment of your character just went up a notch.

        Not to worry, I know you don’t care, and I don’t care that you don’t care. But it DOES force me to change my approach toward you. 🙂

        AND you TRICKED me into revealing who I am! Nicely played, BW, nicely played.

        Going to have to be more circumspect and NEVER let it out in my OTHER blog incarnations!

        Best,

        — x

      16. Only you think this is a game, Prae, but my blog post suffered enough. Take this to the open thread at the top of this page. If not, then I will go back in spamming your comments.

      17. Nope, again, BW…your fits of pique are long past tiresome.

        It’s not a game, obviously, but no one is forced to be constantly turgidly hostile, as you are seem to believe that you need to be.

        Lighten up, kid…you simply don’t have that much to be angry about concerning me.

        Best,

        — x

      18. Oops…looks as though I have to back off on the apology a bit! You DID censor LAST night’s back-and-forth.

        You ARE a coward! Just not as much of a coward as I thought.

        We’ll see how you ACTUALLY handle the conversation going forward.

        Best,

        — x

      19. You can say it all day and night that brothawolf or even that I am a leftist but it won’t make it anymore true (guess you think if you say it enough it will come true).
        You are seriously in some heavy denial. When I quoted you attacking brothawolf, it was not the second comment or third comment or fourth comment. It was the very first comment to this blog. It took the second or maybe third comment before you started doing the heavy attacking and name calling. Not some warnings that you keep claiming you were doing.

        Let’s be honest here. Your purpose was to draw brothawolf into an argument and not exchange ideas. It really seems to be your M.O. (and I could be wrong) for you to seek out other blogs…argue with the posters…and tell how they are morons simply because you don’t agree with you. That in itself is a childish act. You could easily have written a counter blog stating how and why you disagree with the assessment of paula deen. Opposing the idea that she is racist or that people even know for sure etc. But instead you decided to act like a teenage boy and attack someone else.

        Funny part is that you want to claim to be the mature one in this but how mature is it to write a post or copy and past a post entitled my argument with a dimwit when had you been mature in the first place you would not be arguing or posting a blog about it waiting for others to blow smoke up your azz instead of telling you how childish you really are.

      20. You know how some are though. They think everything is up for debate, but don’t realize that opinions are not. They want to debate your opinion and then want you to change their minds with it( so they say).

  4. Always nice to see a black man blanketly condemn “white people” with the same inaccurate and unfair generalizations about an entire race as “white people” once did to his ancestors.

    Before you post again about what “white people” learn from what they see or what they long for, you might take a few moments to educate yourself on a few points of history. 1.) who initiated the Abolitionist movement which led to the elimination of black slavery and a brutal civil war in this country. 2.) a century later, who actually pioneered the early civil rights movement on behalf of minorities before it found a convenient figurehead in the form of MLK.

    …because, dear brothawolf, if it weren’t for the efforts of a great many “white people” many thousands of which gave their lives up for your personal freedom and equality, you’d still be out in the fields working the likes of Paula Deen.

    1. Well, I is sorry sir. Yes sir, I am grateful for you white folk for everything you did for lil’ ole’ me. What would we do without ya’ll.

      GTFOH.

      I do not condemn white people, at least not in the same way or power as they condemn my people. What about the white people who still talk shit about blacks in your inner circle. Do you ever lecture them?

      Here’s the deal, I know there were white people who stood up against racism because they know racism doesn’t help them in the long run. I commend them. What I do not condone are white people who, like you, expect me to think or feel a certain way because what I’ve said hurts your feelings. What I wrote about is based on MY PERSPECTIVE AS A BLACK MAN IN A RACIST NATION. I didn’t create it. I was born in it. And if you’re more worried about me condemning whites as opposed to this topic, you are full of crap.

      1. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen that sort of sarcastic “thanks” from an African-American. It’s a charming way of conceding the point while further underscoring the rampant ingratitude and entitlement that invariably fuels it.

        For a fellow who claims “I do not condemn white people”, you sure go out of your way to tar them with one bigoted generalization after another and you continue to do so. Judging by the massive efforts “white people” have made at socially stigmatizing white-racism (and only that particular variety), your assertions of “white people” condemning “your” people is a bigoted paranoid delusion. Interesting choice of words, that. “My” people… As that xPraetorius pointed out on a similar topic, any “white people” who would nail up such a racial fence between “my” people (and all other races) get branded a racist and tarred for it along side Mrs. Deen.

        To answer your question, the white people in my inner circle “don’t talk shit about blacks” for a bunch of reasons. First, most of us have grown up in an integrated multi-racial culture where holding such sentiments is condemned with all the strenuousness you recommend. Second, because it’s considered terribly gauche. It might come as a shock to you that “white people” don’t have closed-door sessions where they indulge in secret bigotry. That’s more of your paranoia seeping through. White bigots are ever-increasingly ostracized by ALL racial groups, both publicly and privately. Meanwhile, bigots of other racial groups go prattling merrily along free of any meaningful censure, just the way you’re doing.

        You haven’t hurt my feelings, by the way, no worries there. “White people” started the fight to end slavery and later racism and continue today because it’s the right thing to do. It isn’t because they expect any sort of “thanks” least of all from the racial groups whose lives and futures they’ve improved.

        Personally, don’t expect you to feel any way at all, least of all grateful. It’s self-evident your hatred has poisoned you to the extent that, like Nietzsche’s famous quote about monsters, you’ve turned into one even to the extent of proudly admitting it. Using the status-quo as a justification for your own racial prejudice is almost identical to one of Mrs. Deen’s many excuses blaming her upbringing. Fortunately for you, the laudible goal of true racial-equality hasn’t yet extended to condemning bigotry, regardless of its source.

      2. First off, bigotry, like racism, is based mostly on lies and myths from one’s or society’s own prejudices. Everything I’ve written is based on truths: historical truths, social truths and personal truths. They are not here based on what YOU think or feel. You have other sites to do that. Better go to them than whining about mine.

        Second, if the white folks you know don’t talk about blacks in a racist way, that’s good. I take it back if it is indeed a true statement.

        Third, There ARE white people who do engage in racist trash talk. Paula Deen, herself, admitted to probably engage in this very thing when she’s behind closed doors:

        http://www.racialicious.com/2013/06/25/deens-empire-goes-down-like-dixie-and-black-twitter-does-race-and-comedy-right/

        Fourth, let me ask you something, who LARGELY STARTED slavery here in the Americas? Who largely instituted and enforced the segregation, criminalization and overall oppression against blacks for the last centuries?

        Fifth, I don’t have any hatred, except for benevolent ignorance such as the one you and Praetorius is leaving here. I am no monster, and I am not perfect. What I am doing is what white people like John Brown, Peggy Macintosh, Jane Elliot and others have done. They may be considered as liberals in your book, but at least they were on the right track.

      3. Funny thing is I actually told Abagond that I don’t know why he uses most or many anymore because you will always get a white or white washed individual who chooses not to see or read it.

        They fuss about generalizations when blacks do it but it never stops them from doing it.

    2. These are some good points. Remember the quote that my friend (the black dude) said? If not, here is it: “Best thing that ever happened to black people is that their ancestors got dragged away to America as slaves.”

      His point: That oppression of their ancestors allowed CURRENT black people to be Americans, and that was VERY fortunate for them.

      I DID ask him to elaborate. He said simply, “All the important advances in the human condition — no matter what color — have come from Europe. The idea to abolish slavery, democracy, rule of law [e named off a few others, that I’d have to search my notes to find] all came from Europe.”

      He and I are dear friends and we’ve spoken very frankly about his points of view…I used to be firmly opposed to what he believed (many years ago), but see the sense of it now.

      Best,

      — x

      1. Did Africans wanted to be Americans? Did we even know America existed before hand? Did they come to America on their own free will. Man, you prick meter is off the charts right now.

        You honestly think that one black person is a reasonable support tool for me to reconsider my topics and opinions. If so, you are more insane than I thought. In case you haven’t noticed, black people are no monolith. That black person you mentioned may think that way. That doesn’t mean I have to, and you will not change my mind.

      2. Nope. Didn’t expect to change your mind. But, yep, my friend had a really good — though rock-you-back-on-your-heels shocking — point.

        Did MY ancestors ask for the oppression THEY experienced? I doubt it. Guess that means YOUR p-meter is off the charts?

        BW, you need to take a deep breath…you’re not under attack here…just your ideas. Stop being so vein-popping defensive!

        Best,

        — x

      3. What oppression did your people experienced, and why should it matter more than the ones my people experienced?

        See, you’re doing it again. The oldest trick in the book. Comparative racial suffering is only a ploy to get others to divert attention from the real subject to a different one on behalf of one individual. You are not fooling anyone with that mess.

  5. Jesus Christ…what is with xPraetorius? Lol.

    Brotha Wolf, your head must be hurting having to reply to this person who goes on and on about how we Blacks are racists and that we are race-obsessed, complete deflection and derailing. Whites (or non-blacks) lie xPraetorius need to find more productive things with their time than visiting and commenting on BLACK WEBSITES that are run and catered to the very people they dislike. LMAO!!!

      1. —“Everything I’ve written is based on truths: historical truths, social truths and personal truths. They are not here based on what YOU think or feel.”

        That’s funny. I’ve read racial-scientists use the exact same argument with equally poor success. Let’s take a few of the more glaring examples of your “truths” like a historical one for starters.

        -“Paula Deen is a racist just like most white people in America. ”

        Do you have a poll supporting that? Or did you make that ugly piece of race-libel up to advance your point? Last two presidential elections show otherwise. I ask because I DO have a poll, one released by CNN on the 150th anniversary of the Civil War’s start. It shows that over 60% of Southerners don’t side with the Confederacy anymore. In other words if right now, this very moment Southern racists were able to put a referendum in front of their fellow Southerners suggesting “The South Shall Rise Again”, they’d lose. So there are hard numbers that flatly contradict your own very racially prejudiced suppositions.

        Or one of your social truths perhaps. -“Any degree of the violent environment of slavery is either minimized or left out completely so as to not disturb the nice white folks with a possible guilt trip.”

        Somebody never saw ‘ROOTS’ when it was aired back in the 1970s. Or read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”, which between them represent over a century of white-guilt over slavery. An interesting piece of fun trivia is that both were authored by “white people,” the same bunch you claim are avoid addressing slavery in various media. Yes, I know who Alex Haley is. I also know who Harold Courlander is, too.

        -“Third, There ARE white people who do engage in racist trash talk. Paula Deen, herself, admitted to probably engage in this very thing when she’s behind closed doors”

        No one’s denied it. As you never tire of demonstrating, racist trash talk is fairly universal. However you levelled that charge against me and the people I personally know, not just Paula Deen and her clique. I’m positive Mrs. Deen expressing her racist views would be unwelcome in many modern Southern social circles as they are in mine.

        Answering the question you asked, slavery in the Americas was largely started by Native Americans, both in North and South America. Aztec and Mayan cultures both enslaved other South American tribes for centuries and documented it extensively. I’m being unfair taking advantage of an imprecise question, though. Your seccond question does concentrate exclusively on blacks for the last centuries. Fair enough. The answer to that question is the Portugese. The Portugese started importing African slaves in the mid 1440s, after the discovery of Brazil in 1500, they continued the practice. Consequently Brazil was the last western nation in the world to abolish slavery just before the turn of the 20th century. The the biggest promoters of black slavery are the Africans themselves. Slavery has been commonplace throughout African history and remained so in Ethiopia until 1946, and ceased only because of Allied ie. “white people” pressure on the country.

        The roughly 600,000 African slaves imported to America is dwarfed by the literally millions of slaves owned by African rulers for roughly the last millenium. So that’s who instituted and enforced “the overall oppression against blacks for the last centuries”. The worst offenders were, as you put it earlier, “your” own people.

        As a friendly suggestion, accusing anyone of “benevolent ignorance” doensn’t mean very much when it’s clear you don’t know the difference between the Irish and the Scots. It’s Peggy -Mc-Intosh.

        I’ll leave that as a parting shot before your embarrassment overcomes your patience. Your mention of “banning” is a clear indication you’re very nearly there.

      2. Here we go with the “Africans started slavery” bullshit. And you’ve even added that Native Americans were also the trendsetters. Even if that’s true, the white American and European ancestors of the past were no better. Actually, they were worse. The slave trade started and maintained by whites was much more vast and heinous.

        Here’s the bottom line. If you’re so offended by my statements regarding white people, why not stand up to the white people who make generalizations of POC, or is that not the same thing and is just wrong?

      3. @…

        “It shows that over 60% of Southerners don’t side with the Confederacy anymore.”—Funny I found this. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/150-years-later-23-of-americans-40-of-southerners-side-with-confederacy/

        I would be interested in seeing your cnn link to this poll. I did a search and amazingly what you quoted did pop up on xPraetorius piggy backing blog.

        Such and such had slaves argument is about as childish as my 5 year old thinking it is ok to jump on the bed because my 2 year old does.

    1. –“than visiting and commenting on BLACK WEBSITES”…

      Is that a “Colored Entrance” sign you’re nailing up on Brothawolf’s blog, Ellis? By the way, WordPress isn’t a BLACK WEBSITE. It’s a blogging website that’s open to everyone, regardless of race. I’d like to believe Brothawolf extends that same policy of non-discriminatory, racial inclusiveness WordPress does to the piece they let him use. Then again, I’m not too optimistic. He certainly didn’t take you to task for your comment when he had the chance. Funny thing about that, eh?

      It’s interesting how the notion of a racially-exclusive website is lauded by the very people so outraged at any hint of racism (real or imagined) perpetrated against them.

      1. “It’s interesting how the notion of a racially-exclusive website is lauded by the very people so outraged at any hint of racism (real or imagined) perpetrated against them.”

        You should know that racially-exclusive websites are hate sights designed and made for white hate groups. Sure, I can go there, but why?

        My blog is for anyone who is anti-racist. Anyone who supports it or protects is, will be ridiculed and eventually banned. That’s how it goes.

      2. “By the way, WordPress isn’t a BLACK WEBSITE. “—He didn’t say it was. What he said was:
        xPraetorius need to find more productive things with their time than visiting and commenting on BLACK WEBSITES.

        He could easily mean this blog itself.

      3. @…said

        What I meant by comment is that I am very fed up of Whites or other non-Blacks commenting on Black websites and either derail the topic (like Praetorius), or say something derogatory, or blame Blacks for being victims of racism. If non-Blacks want to come on a Black blog…fine if you want to learn something or have constructive dialogue but if they don’t, then find something else to do. Simples. 🙂

  6. good post brothawolf. can u believe the ppl defending this bs. i was on abagonds blog and one of the commenters said that she doesn’t think paula deen should’ve been fired for something she said off camera and off the clock. i don’t waste my time arguing with these types as they will defend defend, deny , deny all day. i bet these are the same ppl that would be ready to have a black person fired for something they do or say off the clock and off camera, smh. Tiger woods had those affairs off the golf course yet ppl were mad at him and wanting his career over. Or even that black man that was i think on the show greys anatomy and was accused of saying the f word and we aint seen him acting since. Yet these ppl will come out and defend a racist.

      1. @ Brothatwolf

        This is something I found very funny

        “Didn’t expect to change your mind” and “I’ve walked you relentlessly over to my positions throughout…getting you to agree grudgingly with me time and time again.” To contradictory statements from xPraetorius. So he reserves the right to call someone names on the premise that they do not agree with him but (oh he is not trying to change your mind). ROFL!!!! Now who is immature.

  7. I’m not mad though. Paula Deen really became irrelevant a long time ago. I don’t feel sorry for her and people that defend her are probably people who are closet racist themselves. Now i do not agree with making everything a racial uproar but to just be ok with people using racial slurs is not ok either. It is like teaching a child. If you reward or defend bad behavior then it will never stop them from continuing that bad behavior.

    when young black men use the n-ward I say the same d*mn thing. It is not ok. Then moving on to the fact that she thought a slavery theme was ok…some people are just unbelievable. Now she wants to play naive. She can shut that mess down.

    should she have lost her job….I don’t know, but I think the food network felt they were going to lose a lot from the uproar of it and let her go before they became bankrupt.

    1. If you reward or defend bad behavior then it will never stop them from continuing that bad behavior.

      The same goes for not punishing bad behavior. For a long time, she got away with this, and no one said anything except apparently the people to whom it was directed to.

      Those who thought that slavery was okay or was the best thing that happened to Africans has got a twisted mind in my opinion, and when it comes to slavery in America, as brutal physically and psychologically as it was, there was nothing positive about that. Nothing. Anyone, white or black who defends it, is insane, stupid or both.

      I have a gut feeling that she will bounce back. There will be someone with money that will help rebuild her damaged empire. I say that because white privilege is a safety net in these kinds of situations. She will still be loved and therefore, still make money. So, this is more like a setback than a total collapse.

  8. @Brothwolf,

    Please go on a diet and stop eating racist troll bait. It’s full of empty calories and devoid of nutrients. There is an old saying, “If you argue with a fool an observer walking by will not be able to tell which one of you is the fool”. Also any dialogue the requires you to first prove you humanity to the other party is an insult to your humanity.

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